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Post Game: "That's Your 2011 Gator-Season, Right There..."

DRU2012

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Has a "Last Game on the Schedule", a Gator-Seminole game, EVER more epitomized a whole Gator SEASON of specific weakness, confusion and failure? Disappointing and frustrating as it was, our central, fundamental problem here has finally and clearly been unveiled: it is our offense, and, in the end, our OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR who is responsible for every decision and facet of it, that in the end MUST CHANGE. I believe Weis has shown an INABILITY to change, to adapt either his philosophy or his personnel to the rapidly shifting realities that come and go in the course of a game or a season. In my observation and experience, this is unlikely to change for the better, accompanied as it inevitably is with the usual stubbornness and arrogance that helped give rise to it in the first place.
This all goes back to those questions I asked at the end of the Game Day thread (5th page), the ones specifically about Weis, when it was "time" to say "enough", and what Muschamp should do, and should he do it now, and if not, when? Talk about "Good News/Bad News: the good news is our DEFENSE is on it's way to being really good, already well along and about to become dominant. The bad news is that our OFFENSE is mired in deep confusion, WAY behind the "D", and essentially leaderless--we're starting BEHIND "starting over" at this point, and unless and until it is run by someone who really has a handle on where things are and where they are going, we won't even BEGIN that climb.
There IS one more possible "good thing" here in all of this, though, one more thing that could give us hope: Now that we KNOW the problem, can finally SEE what has to change, it can be done, and the OFFENSE begin to heal and improve, to one day even dominate like our "D" soon will. It's just a matter of our Head Coach squarely facing that truth, and actually DOING something about it.
That's how I see it, at any rate.
 

DRU2012

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Wonder if the Gators should play in a Bowl Game, Leaning towards not playing.
Yeah--I noted the same thing at one point in the Game Day thread, near the end...as I said then, if it wasn't for the fact that Muschamp NEEDS these extra weeks of practice and active "on-the-field"-time in order not only to give his underclassmen as much further coaching as possible, but to help to keep us "visible" and to have another means by which to travel, keep the team's name and image "out there" (as they say in advertising, "never mind the content, just get the NAME right!") and bring kids around for visits (official and UNofficial), all for the all-important "sake of recruiting", more crucial than EVER this year, I wouldn't want us to accept that bowl-bid EITHER. This is one of those times when practicality out-weighs principle in light of modern, cynical realities.
 

miltongator

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In the post-game 3m said we were a soft football team and the poor guys on the defense had to deal with the questions about that. Of course, when we played an SEC team, the defense wasn't all that great either. Luckily 1/2 A$$ U's offense is almost as bad as ours.
 

miltongator

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Has a "Last Game on the Schedule", a Gator-Seminole game, EVER more epitomized a whole Gator SEASON of specific weakness, confusion and failure? Disappointing and frustrating as it was, our central, fundamental problem here has finally and clearly been unveiled: it is our offense, and, in the end, our OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR who is responsible for every decision and facet of it, that in the end MUST CHANGE. I believe Weis has shown an INABILITY to change, to adapt either his philosophy or his personnel to the rapidly shifting realities that come and go in the course of a game or a season. In my observation and experience, this is unlikely to change for the better, accompanied as it inevitably is with the usual stubbornness and arrogance that helped give rise to it in the first place.
This all goes back to those questions I asked at the end of the Game Day thread (5th page), the ones specifically about Weis, when it was "time" to say "enough", and what Muschamp should do, and should he do it now, and if not, when? Talk about "Good News/Bad News: the good news is our DEFENSE is on it's way to being really good, already well along and about to become dominant. The bad news is that our OFFENSE is mired in deep confusion, WAY behind the "D", and essentially leaderless--we're starting BEHIND "starting over" at this point, and unless and until it is run by someone who really has a handle on where things are and where they are going, we won't even BEGIN that climb.
There IS one more possible "good thing" here in all of this, though, one more thing that could give us hope: Now that we KNOW the problem, can finally SEE what has to change, it can be done, and the OFFENSE begin to heal and improve, to one day even dominate like our "D" soon will. It's just a matter of our Head Coach squarely facing that truth, and actually DOING something about it.
That's how I see it, at any rate.
The "D" did look good,but you have to consider who we were playing.
 

InkedAdrenaline

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Well, D looked good and can hold their head high.

As for Brantley....so long, I couldn't get you out sooner, I'm glad you went out like the loser you have always been!!!!!

I personally cannot wait until next season for a fresh start with our POS pansy ass qb....

Edit: also I am not just saying that cuz of his last game, anyone who posts on here enough knows I have called bullshit on Brantley ever since he took his first snap, I hate that pos
 

DRU2012

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Well, D looked good and can hold their head high.

As for Brantley....so long, I couldn't get you out sooner, I'm glad you went out like the loser you have always been!!!!!

I personally cannot wait until next season for a fresh start with our POS pansy ass qb....

Edit: also I am not just saying that cuz of his last game, anyone who posts on here enough knows I have called bullshit on Brantley ever since he took his first snap, I hate that pos
MY concern is this: Looking back at what Weis has been doing and who HE obviously has in mind to be our next QB, and looking AHEAD to what that means, are we on our way to at LEAST 1 more year with NO IMPROVEMENT at that position (and therefore little improvement in the whole offense)? Is Weis "locked in" as far as staying with Brisset, and will that drive Driskel (certainly no WORSE a candidate, and in the view of many of us, the better one for a number of reasons) to transfer? Are we about to find ourselves in the position of "one mediocre QB who under-performs, with NO ONE as an alternative", AGAIN?!!
Even with a couple of young power RBs, as projected, I have little confidence that our OC has either the imagination or the flexibility to do anything but "wait until they get good and can run straight through the holes my new line makes"--in other words, by the evidence revealed thus far, it seems to me that he is neither bright nor creative. Anyone who has coached HIGH school-level offense could design THAT scheme and gameplan, and practically anyone with a middle-level Bowl Championship Division-DEFENSE, let alone an SEC-one, will be able to stop it, unless and until it is stocked with overwhelming talent and depth at every position--and even THEN, there is a learning-curve for the individuals, AND an extended period during which all those "individuals" become a TEAM. The idea is to win with what's at hand, THAT'S what the "great" ones do--you may or may NOT achieve "perfection" (probably NOT, Charlie, BTW), but you aim for it and find ways to maximize potential along the way. There is scant evidence our OC has ever even gone this route; I'm beginning to suspect he lacks the capacity for abstract thinking--a serious flaw in the react/counter-react nature of on-the-fly strategy and tactics that are so much a part of the ongoing confrontations that comprise a football game.
I know they won't, CAN'T just fire him, not here and now. It would do more harm than good, no matter where you stand on this--recruiting, continuity and coaching disarray (you'd want a solid replacement in mind at LEAST, for one thing-- and if possible, ready-to-go) would be just the beginning of the problems that we'd be volunteering for. These are not small considerations, any of them, but considering recruiting alone should bring us up short. This may be the most important class in many years. A possible turning-point, it is looking very good for us, possibly great, with a shot at "Historic", BUT the sudden firing of Weis now would call a lot of it into question, for a lot of reasons, directly and indirectly involved with the OC personally. Bottom line: don't f*ck with it, not now--talent and depth and the right mix of "the right kind of players" are the key, and a treasure trove may well be within our grasp.
So we go with him for a while longer--but I believe that our Head Coach MUST cooly and quietly keep an unblinking eye on what Weis is doing with what he has to work with, how his offense is progressing, and be ready and willing to ask questions regarding that progress as we get into next season. If necessary, he may HAVE to step in, sooner rather than later, and be ready to make a change if things begin to devolve and get away from his OC again as they did this past season--if not for OUR sake or his TEAM's, then for the sake of his own job and vision for this program. Muschamp can NOT be "starting over" on offense in his 3rd year--THAT is a recipe for failure.
 

Escambia94

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We can only hope that this year's bowl game will be like the 2009 team's Sugar Bowl. Those 15 extra practices were essentially used to atone for a season worth of misappropriated practices, 11 under performing games (that we won), and a heart breaking loss at the end of the season to Alabama. We looked good against #4 Cincinnati in that bowl game, better than we looked all regular season. From what I hear, those 15 practices were brutal, but look at the results.

Another way to look at it is the 6-5 1988 team that this 2011 team is often compared to. That team lost 4 games in a row, beat a team to get bowl eligible, then lost to an FSU team that it should have beaten. That team beat an Illinois team loaded with NFL talent in the All American Bowl.

One more way to look at this is that the Gator Bowl gives us exposure to Florida high school talent. Also if the announcement is official on Urban Meyer, we may be playing his team (not officially his yet), tOSU Suckeyes, and get a chance to symbolically erase the remnants of the Meyer regime.
 

DRU2012

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We can only hope that this year's bowl game will be like the 2009 team's Sugar Bowl. Those 15 extra practices were essentially used to atone for a season worth of misappropriated practices, 11 under performing games (that we won), and a heart breaking loss at the end of the season to Alabama. We looked good against #4 Cincinnati in that bowl game, better than we looked all regular season. From what I hear, those 15 practices were brutal, but look at the results.

Another way to look at it is the 6-5 1988 team that this 2011 team is often compared to. That team lost 4 games in a row, beat a team to get bowl eligible, then lost to an FSU team that it should have beaten. That team beat an Illinois team loaded with NFL talent in the All American Bowl.

One more way to look at this is that the Gator Bowl gives us exposure to Florida high school talent. Also if the announcement is official on Urban Meyer, we may be playing his team (not officially his yet), tOSU Suckeyes, and get a chance to symbolically erase the remnants of the Meyer regime.
Congrats on finding SOME potential "silver linings", E-...THIS time, IMO, it is the point made at the start of your 3rd paragraph about "exposure to Fla. high school talent" that may well be the most important by far, short AND long term.
Interesting (prophetic?) that you used it to tie-in our likely opponent in that Gator Bowl game.
The official announcement came in shortly after your comments here were posted: As all are hearing by now, Meyer IS going to tOSU, as expected. I have put up a thread SPECIFICALLY FOR Gators to vent, discuss, air their concerns, or WHATEVER--started "the ball rolling" by noting MY current concerns, triggered to some extent by comments YOU made a few days back that got me not only thinking, but looking into what has been (for most of us) his vague, supposedly "advising and supporting roll" at UF since his "retirement", and the subsequent arrival of Will Muschamp as Head Coach, etc.
Y'all will know the thread when you see it--by the title, you can't miss it.
 

miltongator

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At least 3m took ownership of the debacle ( as he should ). Hmmmmmmm, I hear Zook might need a job. He was a great special teams coach and recruiter.
 

Escambia94

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All that we need to do now is await the bowl selection committee decision. I would be willing to bet that they purposely match tOSU and the Gators due to the intrigue that will be generated. If it happens, the 2011 Gators will get that chance to erase the memory of Urban Meyer.

Note: I have been watching the New England Patriots and the New York Giants offenses and have noticed how similar they are to the current Florida Gator offense. This team could match up well against the current Suckeyes in a bowl game.
 

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