The Newton Saga

[The Zooker]

The new "word on the street" is that the FBI got involved with the Cam incident only because it came up while they were investigating AU boosters during the casino fiasco. The rumor is that the AU boosters have all been doing a bunch of shady stuff and the Cam incident came up while phones were being tapped. Some folks are even jumping to the conclusion that Auburn may be in line for an SMU death penalty once all the info is out. Allegedly Slive is considering dumping AU from the SEC as well. That's the rumor mill's latest.

 

[SEC_Supreme]

I could see some really stiff SMU like penalties coming their way, but I don't know about Slive booting them out of the SEC. He would just be setting himself up for failure at that point. What's he going to do when Calipari gets caught at UK? Can you honestly see Slive kicking UK out of the SEC?

 

[DRU2012]

The new "word on the street" is that the FBI got involved with the Cam incident only because it came up while they were investigating AU boosters during the casino fiasco. The rumor is that the AU boosters have all been doing a bunch of shady stuff and the Cam incident came up while phones were being tapped. Some folks are even jumping to the conclusion that Auburn may be in line for an SMU death penalty once all the info is out. Allegedly Slive is considering dumping AU from the SEC as well. That's the rumor mill's latest.

I wonder. Will the NCAA EVER apply that "Death Penalty" again, to anyone? I mean, we're getting into stuff now that would seem to show a program whose support system is so deeply entrenched in widespread corruption that it goes well beyond the offenses for which USC was punished in the Bush case. If it comes down to proof and prosecution, won't that be "over the line" to a point that DEMANDS a more extreme penalty?
On the other hand, if it were not for the FBI's involvement, you have to question whether it would or even COULD have gone even this far, let alone them ultimately being able to "close the deal", evidence-wise. Normally, not only would the NCAA have taken YEARS to even get to any official accusations and proceedings, I think they would have been hesitant to even venture down some of the roads being mapped out now. As for the SEC, no WAY they throw Auburn out; at this point, Slive must be hoping and praying that the connection between these "super-boosters" and the team itself (and most of all, DIRECT MONEY CONTACT between they and the PLAYERS) is not provable. Otherwise, there's no TELLING where this all ends.

 

[Escambia94]

I believe in political conspiracies. The NCAA will want a feel-good story to counterbalance the Reggie Bush deal that Cecil Newton will take the fall on behalf of Cam Newton and Auburn University. This is predicated on my belief that the FBI will find that Cecil took the cash, but Cam was outside of the loop. Directly, that is.

 

[MahxFahn]

He's done.
What do you think?

13.2 OFFERS AND INDUCEMENTS

13.2.1 General Regulation. An institution’s staff member or any representative of its athletics interests shall not be involved, directly or indirectly, in making arrangements for or giving or offering to give any financial aid or other benefits to a prospective student-athlete or his or her relatives or friends, other than expressly permitted by NCAA regulations.
Receipt of a benefit by prospective a student-athlete or his or her relatives or friends is not a
violation of NCAA legislation if it is determined that the same benefit is generally available to the institution’s prospective
students or their relatives or friends or to a particular segment of the student body (e.g., international students,
minority students) determined on a basis unrelated to athletics ability. (Revised: 10/28/97, 11/1/00, 3/24/05)

13.2.1.1 Specific Prohibitions. Specifically prohibited financial aid, benefits and arrangements include, but
are not limited to, the following:
(a) An employment arrangement for a prospective student-athlete’s relatives;
(b) Gift of clothing or equipment;
(c) Cosigning of loans;
(d) Providing loans to a prospective student-athlete’s relatives or friends;
(e) Cash or like items;
(f ) Any tangible items, including merchandise;
(g) Free or reduced-cost services, rentals or purchases of any type;
(h) Free or reduced-cost housing;
(i) Use of an institution’s athletics equipment (e.g., for a high school all-star game);
(j) Sponsorship of or arrangement for an awards banquet for high school, preparatory school or two-year college
athletes by an institution, representatives of its athletics interests or its alumni groups or booster
clubs; and
(k) Expenses for academic services (e.g., tutoring, test preparation) to assist in the completion of initial-eligibility
or transfer-eligibility requirements or improvement of the prospective student-athlete’s academic
profile in conjunction with a waiver request. (Adopted: 4/23/08)

ORIGIN....

 

[Escambia94]

Nice find. Let's see how they selectively enforce the rules. For now, Cam is innocent. Let's see what evidence turns up.

 

[MahxFahn]

seems like a slam-dunk..........

Exclusive: Cam Newton's Dad Admits Money Talks, Says Source - Sports News Story - WSB Atlanta

 

[MahxFahn]

This says it all...................

[YOUTUBE][ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiL5UJmkfco&hd=1"]YouTube - MoonPie Video of Son of the Preacher Man.mpg[/ame][/YOUTUBE]

well, not quite all, still funny, no?
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[Escambia94]

Sweet. Let's watch the NCAA soap opera unfold.

 

[DRU2012]

I believe in political conspiracies. The NCAA will want a feel-good story to counterbalance the Reggie Bush deal that Cecil Newton will take the fall on behalf of Cam Newton and Auburn University. This is predicated on my belief that the FBI will find that Cecil took the cash, but Cam was outside of the loop. Directly, that is.

Normally, I'd be certain you were right. In fact, that's exactly how I saw it. Everything was falling into place with the old-man as the fall guy and EVERYONE on every "side" more than willing to go along--until the FBI entered the picture, AND it turned out that there was a whole sleazy organized-crime-like casino money-laundering-kickback scheme involved. If it turns out there's evidence that Auburn players really were essentially being paid-to-play as part of this scheme, in addition to paying off Cecil, well, the FBI will be unlikely to bury it and the NCAA will HAVE to do something MAJOR as far as punishment.
Not saying that's what's going to happen; powerful forces and people representing important political and financial interests are bound to be involved and exerting their own influence behind the scenes. Deals, along with careers, are always being made (and broken) when there's so much at stake. It just seems that this one is by now like a runaway train: no one has any real control over where it's going, how far, when or where it'll stop.
Be glad we're not on it!

 

[InkedAdrenaline]

Normally, I'd be certain you were right. In fact, that's exactly how I saw it. Everything was falling into place with the old-man as the fall guy and EVERYONE on every "side" more than willing to go along--until the FBI entered the picture, AND it turned out that there was a whole sleazy organized-crime-like casino money-laundering-kickback scheme involved. If it turns out there's evidence that Auburn players really were essentially being paid-to-play as part of this scheme, in addition to paying off Cecil, well, the FBI will be unlikely to bury it and the NCAA will HAVE to do something MAJOR as far as punishment.
Not saying that's what's going to happen; powerful forces and people representing important political and financial interests are bound to be involved and exerting their own influence behind the scenes. Deals, along with careers, are always being made (and broken) when there's so much at stake. It just seems that this one is by now like a runaway train: no one has any real control over where it's going, how far, when or where it'll stop.
Be glad we're not on it!

blah:2guns::saddam:

 

[TylerHooper]

well let see what happens

 

[Leakfan12]

well let see what happens

I think Cam Newton will go to the NFL.

 

[Escambia94]

I think Cam Newton will go to the NFL.

More specifically, Cam will lead the Auburn War Eagle Tiger Cat Bears to a 12-0 season only to have all those wins forfeited. THEN Cam Newton will get the heck out of Dodge and collect some moolah. Unless of course it turns out that Auburn and Cam innocent. Some assembly required. Not valid in the state of Nevada. I have to throw that in there for legality's sake.

 

[DRU2012]

More specifically, Cam will lead the Auburn War Eagle Tiger Cat Bears to a 12-0 season only to have all those wins forfeited. THEN Cam Newton will get the heck out of Dodge and collect some moolah. Unless of course it turns out that Auburn and Cam innocent. Some assembly required. Not valid in the state of Nevada. I have to throw that in there for legality's sake.

Sure. But if that whole OTHER thing that drew the FBI into this turns out to be provable, it won't just stop at forfeited wins, will it? The only reason I care is that Auburn IS an important, full-fledged member of our proud Southeastern Conference; the kind of extreme penalties that may be headed its way would be difficult for all of us in that conference.
(BTW, did you understand that weird quote-response I got above? I react poorly to threats, so I hope that's not what that was...in this case, I have no idea what would prompt that, so I WANT to just shrug it aside--but STILL, SOMEone's being shot in the head: do you have some other explanation?)

 

[Escambia94]

Sure. But if that whole OTHER thing that drew the FBI into this turns out to be provable, it won't just stop at forfeited wins, will it? The only reason I care is that Auburn IS an important, full-fledged member of our proud Southeastern Conference; the kind of extreme penalties that may be headed its way would be difficult for all of us in that conference.
(BTW, did you understand that weird quote-response I got above? I react poorly to threats, so I hope that's not what that was...in this case, I have no idea what would prompt that, so I WANT to just shrug it aside--but STILL, SOMEone's being shot in the head: do you have some other explanation?)

I don't know how to read emoticons, so I do not use them. I tend to ignore them. Now that I am staring at it, it sure looks ominous. You're a military guy like me--pointing a gun at someone in cyberspace or real-space is a direct threat. I would have to ask my teenagers to interpret that for me to determine if there is a more benign explanation of those hieroglyphs.

EDIT: And to answer the rest of the question, I think Mississippi State and Auburn are both going to suffer for the Newtons' indiscretion.

 

[DRU2012]

I don't know how to read emoticons, so I do not use them. I tend to ignore them. Now that I am staring at it, it sure looks ominous. You're a military guy like me--pointing a gun at someone in cyberspace or real-space is a direct threat. I would have to ask my teenagers to interpret that for me to determine if there is a more benign explanation of those hieroglyphs.

EDIT: And to answer the rest of the question, I think Mississippi State and Auburn are both going to suffer for the Newtons' indiscretion.

Yeah, there'll be splash-back for sure. Weird thing for me here is how every time there's "new developments" in "the Cam Newton case", people start texting and leaving voicemails for me at work, and/or calling me at home to tell me the latest--and how it somehow "leads back to Urban Meyer", according to the local sports radio and the loud-mouthed Gator-haters who pervade these airwaves. Of course, then I get home, put on ESPN and start searching the 'net and it turns out to be less dramatic and having NOTHING to do with Meyer OR the Gators, just more "smoke" on an ever closer horizon for the Newtons and Auburn.
As for that "other business", I don't really follow all those symbols either, so I was reserving judgment until I'm clear on this one...I actually went out to the dojo to work out a bit, unload some nervous energy--something I don't often do on Saturdays, content to be lazy.
Hope you got down TO it with your paper. I've always tended to procrastinate that stuff ANYWAY, even WITHOUT such good reasons as Gator football provides! Of course, I've always believed I work best under pressure, the subject matter has been "percolating" the whole time in my subconscious anyway, so it's all for the best (which is where you say, "That's my story and I'm sticking with it", right?).

 

[DRU2012]

Hey, did y'all see the last few minutes of the Ole Miss-LSU game? Crazy entertaining. Don't know what to make of Miles and LSU--it SEEMS like luck, but when it keeps happening in similar fashion maybe there's another explanation? At least has to be another name for it.

 

[The Zooker]

Hey, did y'all see the last few minutes of the Ole Miss-LSU game? Crazy entertaining. Don't know what to make of Miles and LSU--it SEEMS like luck, but when it keeps happening in similar fashion maybe there's another explanation? At least has to be another name for it.

Bet that Ole Miss player is getting slapped around right now for diving into the endzone. That was stupid. Gave LSU a short field.

 

[DRU2012]

Bet that Ole Miss player is getting slapped around right now for diving into the endzone. That was stupid. Gave LSU a short field.

Definitely--but I'm not so sure Ole Miss could have stopped them if they HADN'T spotted them the short field. Looked like the Tiger "O" could have driven right down into FG-range at LEAST, maybe with just a few seconds left: the way the Bull Dogs Defense was giving up yards, given that 1-pt. differential I half-felt it was better to let 'em score the TD with 40 seconds left than holding them out at the 5 with say 3 seconds left.
Of course, THAT didn't exactly work out for them, but you get my thinking...