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DRU2012

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That faint moan from the shadows under the pier is me (and all the other Gators out there) calling out in weakness and pain after stumbling over the edge, hoping for a little help from our brothers-in-arms after being left for dead. It wasn't some bully that left us like this tonight--nope, like the last time, we wrecked ourselves engaging in self-destructive behavior, and failing once again to change our ways.
OK, enough with the abstract mixed metaphors: we brought this entirely on ourselves, the former regime in the players it stuck us with, and the resulting team in its complete lack of heart, self-discipline and bumbling, selfish style-of-play: We SHOULD be every bit as angry as frustrated, hurt and disappointed at all the damn fool mistakes we made to give this game away. The most confusingly baffling part of the whole debacle is how we made ALL the by-now "same old mistakes" throughout to make certain we lost, and in so doing confirm our status of "bad team".
There can be no doubt of that now, any more than there should be any debate about how we move on from here: clear away the "dead wood" as fast as we can and get in a completely different type of player at every position possible ASAP. Coach Boom and Co. are already headed that way. Instead of "little fast guys who are highly-rated by the experts", we'll be going after (and, by all the signs, GETTING) "big, strong, UNSTOPPABLE guys who WE like and think highly of". It has become all too clear the problem isn't just at running back either: we've been exposed as relatively small, weak and fragile along the lines also.
Then there's that lack-of-heart everywhere as well, exemplified in both our receivers AND defenders. Between drops, failures to go up and get it and the like, the former do NOTHING to help their quarterback, while the latter show a similar lack of fight even when they are there and in position to make the play. These are just specific examples of the overall gutlessness endemic to this collection of individuals, so ready and quick to give up, freelance and shrug off their own culpability. There's more, so much more I could say about it, but what would be the point? The only one I can think of is the one already made: we have too many problems that coaching, and even time-for-healing (time that we no longer have, in ANY event) can't cure. We need to make wholesale changes in the fundamental nature of this team--the very changes that our Head Coach and his staff have already begun.
In the meantime, we DO still have certain practical goals out there that will maximize our time, efforts and future plans. We must continue to work hard to identify the "good ones" we already have, after all: we'll need them as "cadre" among all the new young talent that will be pouring in this spring and summer. As Coach Boom has put it, they'll be looking to identify "our guys, the ones who do things The Florida Way"--something he has definite parameters for and feelings about, it seems, and will become clear in who and what they are and what they DO, rather than a bunch of empty words, and is quietly but firmly and extensively applying not only in the recruiting process, from what I gather, but clearly in the behind-the-scenes manner in which he handles the many "experts' favorites" scooped up back in that "No. 1 Recruiting Class": 4- and 5-stars who were "highly regarded" but have turned out not to measure up, whether on the field, in the locker room or the classroom, or (more likely) some combination of all three. Some folks have really been worrying about this, but not I: again, considering what the "best of 'em" have wrought out there in games the last season-and-a-half or so, gotta look at it as making room for more of "our kind of guys" instead.
Finally, there's that bowl-game thing: we need to win at least 2 more games so that we get invited to one, preferably (and, given that we are still Florida, likely) to one on New Year's Day. This is of course so that we can avail ourselves of the extra 5 weeks of practice for and eventual benefits of (in money, exposure, and, most of all, the continued intensive work as a team) a game against another talented, well-regarded program--otherwise forbidden without those minimum 6 wins. Being active and in the sports news right up until just before the "crazy season" leading up to National Signing Day is no small thing either. Once THAT is accomplished we can turn more of our attention to things that help us begin to get ready for NEXT year, but until we hit 6 wins (and GEEZ, it sticks in my craw to even have to TALK about that as a "problem", let alone find it a genuine concern) we have to make winning ANY WAY WE CAN an absolute priority now.
 

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DRU I'm still up. It's 2:50 am I'm still in shock of how our young men let themselves down. They had it but it slipped right between their fingers.

I NOTED EARLIER: In terms that we might could relate to. Have you ever had to come in behind someone else to finish a job, project, or anything and have to try to make everything work, or fit? Most of the time I've needed extra items (the correct one's) to make it work. Which takes time. But their might be some who are the best at making CHICKEN S#!T INTO CHICKEN SALAD.

This is one of the jobs..
 

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I thought that was a good way of looking at it, Swamp; I suspect that both Coach with the whole team and Weis with respect to the offense came in thinking that Meyer had left them with enough talent to do just that, "make chiken sh*t into chicken salad", as you say. Hell, WE thought basically the same thing, that "the cupboard was far from bare"--and WE'D BEEN STARING RIGHT AT IT FOR MORE THAN A YEAR, and hadn't recognized the problems OR how deep they went.
Well, we all can see it now (never mind that a big chunk of those post-Tebow and other new-to-the-program "fans" just don't get it, never will, and are already grabbing onto the "Fire the Coach", easy scapegoating-out). This is a big tough job, longer and more complex than first thought, requiring patience, determination and a firm stay-the-course commitment to one's own core values, self confidence and self-discipline to see it through successfully. We've got the right guy; we just need to give him and his staff enough time to take us all the way to the other side. Whether the fans (or more importantly, shallow and impatient wealthy boosters) realize it or not, there is absolutely NOTHING to be gained in even TALKING about jumping to another "big name" to "fix" what is already just beginning to change for the better--albeit down deep where it isn't yet obvious, and while the current team is floundering on the field.
There isn't really anything to be gained in engaging in extended arguments with those who are already howling "Fire the bum!", either...Just repeat a few simple cliches about "being patient", "you'll see soon enough" and "we'll be coming around", and go back to hunkering down, seeing us attain the few goals and continue the ongoing process that will eventually give us the personnel, schemes and generally "new vibe" throughout the program that WILL begin to manifest itself on the field NEXT year.
 

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It IS late, man--I just realized it, if you can imagine that...I guess I WAS in that weird "stunned limbo" that hits me after a particularly galling loss. I haven't felt like THIS in more than 20 years, not even in the Zook years. I just want to move forward, that's what I tell myself, but deep down even I have an urge to blame, to get mad at someone for leading us INTO this mess--and that keeps taking me back to Urban Meyer and his "Godfrey" (have you seen Ridley Scott's latest "Robin Hood"?), that Temple-coach. For all the great things Urban and Co. did for this program, he and his man it turns out UNdid it all before leaving. The fact that it was mostly "inadvertent" doesn't excuse it, in fact was part of their whole "routine", it now is clear.
Anyway, enough (for now). Good night, Gator. (I'm hoping there'll be some thoughts and responses to this thread in the next few days: it hits on a lot of my main ideas and concerns regarding the short-to-mid-term future of our team.)
 

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The only way we go bowling is if the team goes to that run down Alley Gatorz bowling alley on Waldo Road, or the Game Room on Museum Road.

How do we fix this? Not we, the fans, but we the players and coaches? Answer: we have done all we can. We peaked the first half of the WLOCP. That was maximum production with minimum injuries. That was it. Get over it Gator Nation. We lack the players and depth to be better than the first half of Alabama and first half of Georgia. Our running backs are not going to grow 25 pounds of muscle. Our receivers are not going to grow bigger, stickier hands. Our defensive backs are not going to grow a ball hawk brain. Our offensive line is not going to buy a clue. Our defensive line is not going to grow a run stop muscle. That was it, Gator Nation. The Gators are not going to get better. All the rah rah sis boom bah is not going to infuse all 11 players with the spirit of Saint Timothy Richard Tebow. It ain't gonna happen.

Where does that leave us? We put forth our best effort and keep fighting. Give all our players time on the field. Look at LSU and Alabama. How did they get that depth? The 2nd and 3rd teamers have playing time alongside 1st teamers. They gain experience, and the coaches see who deserves future playing time. It looks like we determine all playing time in practice, with little game time adjustment. We currently lack depth to make personnel adjustments at the half, and we are too banged up or too small to last in the 4th.
 

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The only way we go bowling is if the team goes to that run down Alley Gatorz bowling alley on Waldo Road, or the Game Room on Museum Road.

How do we fix this? Not we, the fans, but we the players and coaches? Answer: we have done all we can. We peaked the first half of the WLOCP. That was maximum production with minimum injuries. That was it. Get over it Gator Nation. We lack the players and depth to be better than the first half of Alabama and first half of Georgia. Our running backs are not going to grow 25 pounds of muscle. Our receivers are not going to grow bigger, stickier hands. Our defensive backs are not going to grow a ball hawk brain. Our offensive line is not going to buy a clue. Our defensive line is not going to grow a run stop muscle. That was it, Gator Nation. The Gators are not going to get better. All the rah rah sis boom bah is not going to infuse all 11 players with the spirit of Saint Timothy Richard Tebow. It ain't gonna happen.

Where does that leave us? We put forth our best effort and keep fighting. Give all our players time on the field. Look at LSU and Alabama. How did they get that depth? The 2nd and 3rd teamers have playing time alongside 1st teamers. They gain experience, and the coaches see who deserves future playing time. It looks like we determine all playing time in practice, with little game time adjustment. We currently lack depth to make personnel adjustments at the half, and we are too banged up or too small to last in the 4th.
There it is. That's IT. Not much more to be said, really--except that "if if if if if", "if this" "if that" "if only"...the endless "ifs" are what keeps Gator Nation coming back AND searching for someone to blame. They can SEE, feel, taste how close even WE are to being "almost OK", as if THAT were a goal to aspire to. We go there, and we're Georgia: 10 years of mediocrity and disappointment and STILL hanging in there, treading water at the same level and hopng that maybe they'll get a few "ifs" going THEIR way, like yesterday.
Not good enough, folks. Worse than we thought? All the more reason we bight the bullet and go through whatever is prescribed to get back to "GREAT". That's what our Head Coach is doing, where he aims to take this team--nothing less than "great once more". I for one will support him, and from here on out think only in terms of seeing it through. All that matters now is how whatever we do contributes to that end (and the first step is making that crap-bowl game, if we can).
 

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It IS late, man--I just realized it, if you can imagine that...I guess I WAS in that weird "stunned limbo" that hits me after a particularly galling loss. I haven't felt like THIS in more than 20 years, not even in the Zook years. I just want to move forward, that's what I tell myself, but deep down even I have an urge to blame, to get mad at someone for leading us INTO this mess--and that keeps taking me back to Urban Meyer and his "Godfrey" (have you seen Ridley Scott's latest "Robin Hood"?), that Temple-coach. For all the great things Urban and Co. did for this program, he and his man it turns out UNdid it all before leaving. The fact that it was mostly "inadvertent" doesn't excuse it, in fact was part of their whole "routine", it now is clear.
Anyway, enough (for now). Good night, Gator. (I'm hoping there'll be some thoughts and responses to this thread in the next few days: it hits on a lot of my main ideas and concerns regarding the short-to-mid-term future of our team.)

OK DRU, I have a few thoughts . . .

A couple of weeks ago I said (on another thread) I thought a big part of the problem was poor coaching. Now I think it may be THE problem.

We've agreed that there are players who aren't giving 100%. Playing with no heart . . . or soft. And we've agreed that Meyer left the cupboard bare, except for a darn good track team.

But now, after the bad game against Auburn followed by the debacle against Georgia (after an off-week), I'm considering that maybe the players play soft, don't give 100%, and keep making stupid penalties because that's the way they're coached. It looks to me like the fundamentals aren't being taught or stressed. I can't get past the excessive number of penalties. I also can't get past Cheeseburger Charlie (there, I said it), having a game plan yesterday that was so obviously flawed any Middle School Coach could have defended against it . . . and he was so damned stubborn he never changed mid-game when it was glaringly obvious ANY defensive pressure and Brantley would lay down for a loss, or our scat-backs would bounce-off any defender, or the O-Line couldn't block to save their lives. And the Head Coach didn't make the OC change anything either . . . which also tells me a lot and all of it's bad.

Let me briefly summarize:

Our QB was less than immobile, completely ineffective, and played the whole game. Coaching.

Because we've had 4-weeks and can't get anyone else even remotely ready to play QB. Coaching.

O-Line can't/won't block and we're in the 8th week? Coaching.

Stupid penalties = lack of discipline. Coaching.

DuBose got, what, two touches yesterday? Coaching.

Rumor: There are actually ALREADY decent-sized Gator RBs named Gillislee and Mack Brown? Coaching.

A corollary: 3rd and 2 and we unsuccessfully try to run a scat back up the middle time-after-time? Coaching.

Wide Receivers can't run a route and get open? Coaching.

DBs can't cover even average receivers and NEVER TURN AROUND. Coaching.

That's enough. My blood pressure is going up again. These aren't new problems but Muschamp hasn't corrected any of them. I don't care how many big RBs we get, the difference will be negligible without O-Line blocking or if they don't ever see the field. I don't care how many 100% heart big, nasty D-Linemen we get, stupid penalties and lack of discipline and DBs that give basically no coverage to the other team's receivers will give us the same result. I don't think it's nearly so much the lack of size and strength any more as it is the lack of coaching. And this is a FAR more serious problem for the program.

In the worst stretch of Zook, I never felt this bad about the Gators.

I'm still not ready to fire Muschamp (or even consider it). But Weis' head should be on the block as far as I'm concerned and whoever is collecting a paycheck as our Receivers Coach.
 

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If I have ANY questions re the current coaches, it WOULD be with Weis--but what if the penalties, the freelancing, the poor in-game technique, etc. etc., ALL of it is a matter of them working on these things all week then the same guys going out there and doing the same old things again and again? There are a lot of signs that this is EXACTLY the case. Not just on the field, but in the things that Muschamp has let slip here and there over the past few weeks. Our Head Coach has a policy of neither making public excuses nor to EVER point to any one particular player or play as "the key breakdown" or reason for failure: he shoulders responsibility. However, among his postgame comments the last few weeks HAVE been some angry general blurt-outs about "freelancing" and "guys continuing to go their own way, do selfish things the wrong way 'cause they think they know better", and "go for themselves again instead of the team". Between such comments and ones about what they've been working to improve in practice--improved technique at every position, getting more turnovers (he has made ironic comments about our inability to actually hold onto INTs, sure tackling and getting them to strip-the-ball), and I'm sure they've been coaching their BUTTS off trying to cut down on ALL the penalties--but they get in the game and do all the same old crap.
As I've said before, the list goes on and on but the underlying cause I have come to believe is mainly fundamental--short and sweet: This is a bad team comprised of too many low-character players. They are talented, within the rather narrow range of parameters that Meyer & Co. had in mind, but most of them have ALWAYS been out for themselves alone; we've seen that demonstrated repeatedly in various ways from the time they began to arrive after the 2008 season. I believe E'94's post above perfectly outlines the problems AND the implied consequences: We've seen about the "best" this group (they'll NEVER amount to a real "team") has to offer, and it won't, CAN'T get much better, no matter WHAT the coaches do.
Now, I'm not saying they're perfect or that they haven't made mistakes. There are a number of things I'd take issue with in Weis' use of personnel AND his in-game adaptation and flexibility thus far--for example I think he has been too enamored of our speed, for one thing, and there's the disparity between what he claims to see and what his subsequent offensive game plans actually seem designed to exploit--but then again we don't get enough information about injuries, who, what or how bad, for me to know for sure what the real reasons are for ANYTHING that happens on-the-field on game day. That brings us to Muschamp himself, who I continue to support and have great confidence in his overall philosophy, intentions and actual ongoing moves and plans in that direction, but I have a feeling he may be better served in modifying that "cold war, Above Top Secret"-approach to handling all Gator team-related action and information. Two things come to mind here: first, from either a practical or an emotional standpoint, though I understand its intent, it isn't as if the current path has been so valuable or effective in any important (or even discernible) way; second, in isolating the program from the fans and local press, you risk missing out on that sense of "community" between team and fans that contributes in a positive fashion to the overall "vibe" around the team. You can still accomplish most of the same goals without totally freezing out Gator Nation, and there is the additional advantage of exposing the players to "the press" and public in a more manageable way--and if they turn out to be immature, "look-at-me"-loudmouths you find out about it early with minimal damage--and now know that they need to be watched, that they need to either grow up or may not be "Florida guys" after all. Even WITH the kind of increased vigilance the Coach is showing in this regard, there can still be "misses" out there on the recruiting trail; we're looking at practically a whole TEAM full of those kind of "misses" here now.
All in all, it's WAY too early to start talking about "canning the coaches", ANY of 'em, least of all our Head Coach, who I feel strongly MUST be given ample time to even get a proper start on the job at hand. Give him the time and he'll know what to do with it. For now, there are two immediate and separate tasks to be accomplished, and a third on-going in the background that will become of HIGHEST importance as we wrap up the other two:
(1) The testing, training and winnowing of the group here now to identify and prepare the best of them for the work ahead, while allowing time and/or standards that are beyond them to permit and/or encourage those "others" to move on, while
(2) doing everything possible with the material and strength at hand to win at least 2 more games the rest of the way, in order to grant us that extra 5 weeks of practice, publicity, and everything else that it entails. That will bring us to
(3) the last month before National Signing Day, the "home stretch" where Coach Boom and the rest can really bear down full time, turn all their attention to making good all the thoughtful research, planning, hard work and in the end, their intuition, embodied in the mutual leaps-of-faith that high-level recruiting amounts to.
This will be one of the most important and pivotal recruiting cycles in the history of the University of Florida Fightin' Gator Football Program. If I am right, it will also one day be looked upon as at least ONE of the most successful--NOT because the experts say so, but because it will become obvious in the years ahead, looking back.
They'll be young and raw at first--that's why the best of our holdovers from the current team will be so important, in helping them to get better and to make sure there is a certain amount of balance and consistency while that is happening.
But they WILL get better, and better still, they'll be a TEAM, and they'll have character and heart at the center. A lot of the folks out there looking to blame someone have forgotten what that's like, what a difference it made--if they ever understood it in the first place. Our Head Coach gets it though, and that, as much as the prospective level of talent, has been a guiding principle and major consideration in his ongoing evaluation of what is wrong here now and his plans for the future.
 

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I just don't get it. If the Gators drop an egg against Vanderbilt, I will drive to Gainesville and heave Muschamp and Weis into Lake Alice myself.

Does everyone know the story of what happened to the last Gator coach that lost to Vandy at home? In 1945, Tom Lieb frustrated the fans and alumni with that loss that they grabbed him and tossed him into a lake (presumably Lake Alice).
 

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It is not the coaching. It is the mismatch between coaches and players. In the short term, until we have 50-85 players recruited by Muschamp and crew, we have to live with one of two things: we get lucky and the players from the Meyer era adapt quickly, or we watch the Mus,hamp recruits develop. The latter takes time, maybe 2 years. It might cost us some losses this year.
 

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too much text in this thread for me to jump in.
Not sure what you mean, Cal-z-g. You usually have your own P.O.V., and these are kind of "heart-of-the-matter" issues we are knocking around here, seems to me. Would welcome your input.
 

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It is not the coaching. It is the mismatch between coaches and players. In the short term, until we have 50-85 players recruited by Muschamp and crew, we have to live with one of two things: we get lucky and the players from the Meyer era adapt quickly, or we watch the Mus,hamp recruits develop. The latter takes time, maybe 2 years. It might cost us some losses this year.
Man, ain't THAT the truth?

(In fact, that paragraph right there SHOULD have been emailed to every Gator alumni and everyone registered on gator-blogs just before the first game of this season. Absolutely, absurdly ridiculous, of course, but as fantastic impossibilities go, this one would have made the grade as first rate, realistic prophecy.)
 

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way too much for me to catch up on. I starting reading, got through a few posts, but barely made a dent. So I will respond to what the first few posts were talking about. Sorry if the subject has changed already.

Okay, so I have been thinking this for a while, and I'm pretty sure I've said it here a few times over the past few years....... Urban Meyer focused too much on recruiting for speed. We thought that the common theme in all of our really great players was speed, but in fact it actually depended on a lot of ingredients to make a champion. But while we were thinking speed, other SEC teams were thinking power. We got too small and they got too big. Look at LSU... they were always the next fastest team to us. But now look at their team this year. Very powerful and still with plenty of SEC speed to take care of Non-SEC opponents.

Muschamp realizes this too, and he is trying to build us up for power. But it will be hard for him for many reasons. First of all we are a really weak team compared to the top of the SEC. So he needs to recruit his own players. Well that will take him a while, especially in a state like Florida, where pretty much every high school now runs the spread, making it harder to find pro style talent. Plus I think our recruiting is going cleaner and cleaner. We probably had a lot of "magic" in those Zooker days, and maybe a little left in Meyer's. But not now. Too many investigations for us to go dirty.
 

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You're right in the thick of the various lines-of-thought, it turns out, Cal-z. Thing is, I believe that Muschamp & Co. are perfectly positioned to have an AMAZING recruiting cycle up ahead--and they won't HAVE to go "dirty" to pull it off, they just need to "finish" well. They're going to be bringing in some big name 5-star guys at key positions (RB and both lines, mainly), but it will also be a number of less high-profile "Florida-type guys" (Coach Boom's own ideas about what that is are the real "test" there) that will fill it out and truly help to drastically alter the nature of our team for the better. We're going to be big, fast, tough and smart--no self-absorbed losers allowed. It'll take a whole season to get it all working together like the smooth and powerful machine that they have in mind, but we'll see the difference early, the growth steady and accelerating, and by the season after next, look out...Year 3 will be our first back in the Championship discussion, and I think we;ll be there for a long time to come. That's the plan, at any rate.
For now,though, there are certain things left to be attained THIS season in order to maximize those chances. The most important of these is to get ourselves at least a couple of wins in order to qualify for some New Year's Day bowl, ANY one will do. Bunch of reasons why, but the central one is so that the team can continue to practice and prepare for a decent, higher-profile opponent right through December like the current top contenders will be doing. Keeping ourselves relevant and active won't hurt recruiting, either.
 

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We are grabbing some Florida Way recruits from Florida. That is a good sign that Coach Boom will turn the program around.
 

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It is not the coaching. It is the mismatch between coaches and players. In the short term, until we have 50-85 players recruited by Muschamp and crew, we have to live with one of two things: we get lucky and the players from the Meyer era adapt quickly, or we watch the Mus,hamp recruits develop. The latter takes time, maybe 2 years. It might cost us some losses this year.

We'll just have to disagree Escambia and DRU . . . and it looks like I'm the only one here who thinks we have a problem with coaching.

I just can't be convinced that our ENTIRE roster is completely depleted of SEC talent; completely depleted of all strength and size; completely depleted of guys who will listen to all the great coaching they're getting (according to the consensus); and just ignore the fundamentals our coaches must be constantly stressing. In effect, that argument says we have 65-70 guys (left) who should ALL be cut then.

Otherwise, they should be on the field while the great purging is taking place because the ones there obviously are the exact ones who don't listen to the coaching they allegedly get. Worst case is we still lose . . . which we are consistently doing with the ones the coaches decide (for whatever reason) to keep playing.

O-Line is not blocking -- even thought they are greatly coached -- but keep playing.

D-Backs aren't covering or turning around -- even thought they are greatly coached -- but keep playing.

Undersized backs are failing to convert on 3rd and 2 -- even though great plays are called -- but keep getting called.

Receivers won't get open -- despite great coaching -- but keep playing.

SOMETHING is very wrong with this picture.

IF there is a great purge AND good coaching, but with sub-standard players, then why are these same players who are soft and are being purged and making all these mistakes still playing?

I'm reminded of a great coach who said something like he could take his and beat yours, or take yours and beat his . . . meaning talent is not the gold-standard.

Since I'm obviously missing something, I'd like to know what so I can feel optimistic too.
 

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We'll just have to disagree Escambia and DRU . . . and it looks like I'm the only one here who thinks we have a problem with coaching.

I just can't be convinced that our ENTIRE roster is completely depleted of SEC talent; completely depleted of all strength and size; completely depleted of guys who will listen to all the great coaching they're getting (according to the consensus); and just ignore the fundamentals our coaches must be constantly stressing. In effect, that argument says we have 65-70 guys (left) who should ALL be cut then.

Otherwise, they should be on the field while the great purging is taking place because the ones there obviously are the exact ones who don't listen to the coaching they allegedly get. Worst case is we still lose . . . which we are consistently doing with the ones the coaches decide (for whatever reason) to keep playing.

O-Line is not blocking -- even thought they are greatly coached -- but keep playing.

D-Backs aren't covering or turning around -- even thought they are greatly coached -- but keep playing.

Undersized backs are failing to convert on 3rd and 2 -- even though great plays are called -- but keep getting called.

Receivers won't get open -- despite great coaching -- but keep playing.

SOMETHING is very wrong with this picture.

IF there is a great purge AND good coaching, but with sub-standard players, then why are these same players who are soft and are being purged and making all these mistakes still playing?

I'm reminded of a great coach who said something like he could take his and beat yours, or take yours and beat his . . . meaning talent is not the gold-standard.

Since I'm obviously missing something, I'd like to know what so I can feel optimistic too.

Good points. Well articulated. It is possible I am wrong and it is the coaching. At this time I think it is just a mismatch in coaching and personnel, but it is possible that these coaches are not good at coaching players they did not recruit. Maybe we will not know until next year as the number of Muschamp era players is closer to the number of Meyer era players and that can no longer be used as an excuse.
 

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TG, you got very good points on everything. My only reply is do you see how Driskell, J Brissett has preformed so far this yr by getting thrown in the game because of JB's injury. Their just not ready for the SEC scene yet. It shows. Now we could get them in there this yr. but all hope would be lost this yr. with this being the coaching staffs first yr. I got to believe their trying everything in their power to just get wins, wins with what they see are our best players. It doesn't mean they're the right players but the only ones good enough to have a chance.

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We've had injuries out the ying yang. Its just been rough on everyone but we got to give them time to install their players for their system.
Square peg round hole. Keep hitting it. It will fit. Doesn't work most the time.

Here's what we've had. The NFL Draft from UF. Everyone left now were stuck with some misfits in a new system. In a sense we been spoiled.

2011
1 (15th) Mike Pouncey OL Miami Dolphins
2 (63rd) Marcus Gilbert OT Pittsburgh Steelers
5 (151st) Ahmad Black S Tampa Bay Buccaneers
7 (217th) Maurice Hurt OG Washington Redskins
2010
1 (7th) Joe Haden CB Cleveland Browns
1 (18th) Maurkice Pouncey C Pittsburgh Steelers
1 (25th) Tim Tebow QB Denver Broncos
2 (53rd) Jermaine Cunningham DE New England Patriots
2 (54th) Carlos Dunlap DE Cincinnati Bengals
2 (62nd) Brandon Spikes LB New England Patriots
3 (75th) Major Wright S Chicago Bears
4 (113th) Aaron Hernandez TE New England Patriots
5 (159th) Riley Cooper WR Philadelphia Eagles
2009
1 (22nd) Percy Harvin WR Minnesota Vikings
4 (124th) Louis Murphy WR Oakland Raiders
5 (153rd) Cornelius Ingram TE Philadelphia Eagles
 

Escambia94

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Let us accentuate the point here. Many of those NFL players were All-SEC or All-American. How many players from the 2011 team will be All-SEC? All- American? How many 1st round draft picks? That says something about the talent on this team versus years past.

Right now I see one or two All- SEC, zero All- American, zero 1st round picks. Don't blame the coach, the system, or George Bush. Plenty of those award winners and quality draft picks came from crappy or under performing teams in history.
 

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