Alabama on probation -- again

[MahxFahn]

The NCAA will announce Thursday afternoon that Alabama football will suffer major penalties stemming from a textbook scandal.

According to several reports, Alabama football will have to vacate victories from the 2005-2007 seasons. There were 23 victories in those years under Mike Shula (2005, 2006) and Nick Saban (2007). A source told the Birmingham News that the number of vacated wins is at least 10.

This is the fourth time in 14 years Alabama football has been penalized by the NCAA.

Alabama also will be put on probation for three years. There are no reports of scholarship cuts or postseason bans. It is not clear if the school will appeal.

The program has been off probation for only 16 months. On Feb. 1, 2007 it completed a five-year probation. After announcing those penalties in 2002, infractions committee chairman Tom Yeager said the program "was staring down the barrel of a gun," because of its repeat violator status.

If the NCAA determines that the textbook violations occured within a five-year window of the last probation then Bama once again could be technically eligible for the death penalty. However, it is highly unlikely that penalty would be applied. The death penalty has been used only once, against SMU in 1987.

The NCAA defines a repeat violator this way: "An institution shall be considered a 'repeat' violator if the Committee on Infractions finds that a major violation has occurred within five years of the starting date of a major penalty."

Five players were suspended for four games in 2007 after "impermissible textbook charges" were discovered.

I wonder what franklin/yellowhammer will say about this......
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[O-town Gator]

I wonder what franklin/yellowhammer will say about this......
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I wonder too - seems he's so quick on the trigger to dish it out when there's anything negative on the Gators, but as far as his own team goes, he can't take it.

 

[Yellowhammer]

Here is what I think, read for yourself...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/196871-to-the-ncaa-from-one-alabama-fan-finally-you-got-one-right

This story is streaming along the bottom of ESPN today along with the 24 arrests story about Florida.

 

[J-ville Gator]

Here is what I think, read for yourself...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/196871-to-the-ncaa-from-one-alabama-fan-finally-you-got-one-right

This story is streaming along the bottom of ESPN today along with the 24 arrests story about Florida.

LOLOLOL..............LOLOLOLOLOL............. Deflect and Denial.................Bleacherreport...............LOLOLOLOL..............

 

[Escambia94]

This is news to me. They are not allowed to share textbooks? Let's not get carried away here. I am not an Alabama fan, but loaning out textbooks is not in the same class of crime as stealing laptop computers and whatnot.

 

[Yellowhammer]

You know this is or was going on everywhere. Alabama athletes are no smarter than any other athletes anywhere else.

I am sure it was or is going on even at Florida, There are about 100 ADs running around today trying to find out how many of their student athletes are doing this.

To me it's about the same as me checking a book out at the library and loaning it to MahxFahn before I return it.

Not one dime was pocketed and no book was lost or not paid for,

(from the NCAA report)
All of the textbooks and materials were either returned at the end of the semester or
charged to, and recovered from, the student-athletes' receivables account, as was required
by the institution's textbook program. The investigation did not reveal that anyone
converted the books or materials to cash by reselling the items, and did not reveal that
anyone acquired items that were not academic in character, such as personal electronics
devices or clothing.

Here is the NCAA's report if you are interested:

http://www.tidesports.com/assets/pdf/ncaareport.pdf

 

[CaliZona_Gator]

I think the punishment should just be a few scholarships... not games

 

[O-town Gator]

I think the punishment should just be a few scholarships... not games

Ditto. Forfeiture of games pretty much amounts to no more than a slap on the wrist.

 

[Yellowhammer]

Taking away scholarships punishes people who are innocent, vacating games and records comes a little closer to punishing the guilty.

My problem is that there were 22 athletes in a handful of sports that intentionally did this and a 174 athletes that did it unknowingly and yet all sports were listed and all the athletes were punished.

Basically it amounted to checking the books out and loaning them to someone. Some took advantage of that to help friends and family by leading them their books. Others were just issued these books and supplies in a package even though they weren't required.

All the books had to be returned or paid for at the end of that period of time. So to me this is being WAY overblown by the national media.

http://www.tidesports.com/assets/pdf/ncaareport.pdf

 

[O-town Gator]

Taking away scholarships punishes people who are innocent, vacating games and records comes a little closer to punishing the guilty.

My problem is that there were 22 athletes in a handful of sports that intentionally did this and 174 that did it unknowingly and yet all sports were listed and all the athletes were punished.

Basically it amounted to checking the books out and loaning them to someone. Some took advantage of that to help friends and family by leading them their books. Others were just issued these books and supplies in a package even though they weren't required.

All the books had to be returned or paid for at the end of that period of time. So to me this is being WAY overblown.

http://www.tidesports.com/assets/pdf/ncaareport.pdf

Yeah, "WAY" overblown - how else do you think the media is going to respond? You know how much they love to expound on anything negative and keep carrying on to no end; I shouldn't have to tell you that, based on our recent situation (and you know what I'm talking about).

 

[Mr2Bits]

Ditto. Forfeiture of games pretty much amounts to no more than a slap on the wrist.

Unless your Bobby Bowden.. He'll give up 20 scholarships before he gives us 2 games.

 

[Yellowhammer]

Here are some examples of other NCAA textbook cases and penalties

Interesting reading if you have the time. All of them received much lighter penalties than Alabama did.

http://assets.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/2003/0104/1487246.html

http://media.www.wsusignpost.com/me...Wsu-Athletics.On.Ncaa.Probation-2110938.shtml

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/nov/23/sports/sp-36878

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=nc...2&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=96f9a1a0,93d8b5e6

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=33509
(this one involved coaches)

Like I said from the beginning, this goes on everywhere!

 

[Leakfan12]

The Crminial Tide strikes again.

 

[leakbrewergator]

Here are some examples of other NCAA textbook cases and penalties

Interesting reading if you have the time. All of them received much lighter penalties than Alabama did.

http://assets.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/2003/0104/1487246.html

http://media.www.wsusignpost.com/me...Wsu-Athletics.On.Ncaa.Probation-2110938.shtml

http://articles.latimes.com/1999/nov/23/sports/sp-36878

http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=nc...2&mkt=en-US&setlang=en-US&w=96f9a1a0,93d8b5e6

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=33509
(this one involved coaches)

Like I said from the beginning, this goes on everywhere!

Are you serious? You just compared Alabama to such powerhouses as Alaska-Anchorage, Weber St., Central Connecticut, Cal St.-Fullerton and Texas Southern???? Come on man.

Perhaps the penalty was stiffer b/c Bama is a much higher profile institution than the above mentioned programs. Also, the NCAA does take into account past transgressions when handing out penalties. I'm not to keen on the history of Alaska-Anchorage, Weber St, etc.. as it pertains to NCAA violations, but I do know Bama has had some pretty recent history.

 

[Yellowhammer]

LeakBrewergator, What in the world does that have to do with anything? Are you saying if you murder someone and the President of UF murders someone he should get a more severe punishment because he is more powerful? Ridiculous!

The only possible reason for Alabama to get a much worse penalty would be because... (1) To make an example of someone, or (2) because of the probation window.

The point of the post was to show this goes on everywhere (including Florida) and is not reported

 

[Yellowhammer]

Leak Fan, A quote from the LA Times.


"I am disappointed in the decision by the NCAA," Central Coach Howie Dickenman said. "When you talk about extra benefits, our players received absolutely nothing except perhaps some self-satisfaction that they helped a non-scholarship teammate or a former teammate."

There's a saying around college athletics that it's better to be arrested by campus police on misdemeanor charges--or something similar--than to be busted by the NCAA police.

 

[leakbrewergator]

LeakBrewergator, What in the world does that have to do with anything? Are you saying if you murder someone and the President of UF murders someone he should get a more severe punishment because he is more powerful? Ridiculous!

The only possible reason for Alabama to get a much worse penalty would be because... (1) To make an example of someone, or (2) because of the probation window.

The point of the post was to show this goes on everywhere (including Florida) and is not reported

No. I was trying to say that Alabama's punishment was more severe bc they have a history of past transgressions. The NCAA does take this into account when handing out punishments.

 

[Leakfan12]

When does UT and FSU go on probation? Well UT More likely.

 

[AlleyGator]

While I'm all for an SEC foe being in the doghouse this kind of rule makes absolutely no sense at all

 

[O-town Gator]

When does UT and FSU go on probation? Well UT More likely.

FSU is already on probation because of the recent cheating scandal.