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Gator Quarterback Comparisons: Is Trask Up to the Task?

Discussion in 'Gator Football' started by Escambia94, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. Escambia94

    Escambia94 Aerospace Cubicle Engineer (ACE) Moderator

    Kyle Trask had a top-10 statistical year for a Gator QB. His 66.9% completion percentage for the year ranks him #3 in Gator history behind Jeff Driskel 2013 and Tim Tebow 2009. His 2941 yards passing in one season ranks him #8 behind Rex Grossman 2001 & 2002, Tim Tebow 2007, Danny Wuerffel 1995 & 1996, and Chris Leak 2004 & 2006. If we add Feleipe Franks' 698 yards to Trasks' total, this would be the #2 season in terms of passing yardage at 3639 yards--right behind Rex Grossman's 3896 yard campaign in 2001 and just ahead of Danny Wuerffel's 3625 yard campaign in 1996! His 25 TDs in a season rank him #7, but with Franks' 5 TDs added in this would be tied for #4 with Tim Tebow at 30 passing TDs. His passer rating of 156.2 rank him at #9, and a composite of Franks and Trask in 2019 would be ranked #6--just ahead of Tim Tebow 2009 with a rating of 164.7.

    Here is a comparison of Gator QB statistics over the years, with Kyle Trask's statistics in 2019:
    • Danny Wuerffel 1993 FR 159/273 58.2% 2230 YDS 22 TD 10 INT 146.1 RAT
    • Danny Wuerffel 1994 SO 132/212 62.3% 1754 YDS 18 TD 9 INT 151.3 RAT
    • Danny Wuerffel 1995 JR 210/325 64.6% 3266 YDS 35 TD 10 INT 178.4 RAT
    • Danny Wuerffel 1996 SR 207/360 57.5% 3625 YDS 39 TD 13 INT 170.6 RAT
    • Doug Johnson 1997 SO 148/269 55.0% 2023 YDS 21 TD 12 INT 135.0 RAT
    • Doug Johnson 1998 JR 154 274/56.2 2346 YDS 19 TD 8 INT 145.2 RAT
    • Jesse Palmer 1998 SO 73/123 59.3% 1246 YDS 14 TD 5 INT 173.9 RAT
    • Doug Johnson 1999 SR 190/337 56.4% 2574 YDS 20 TD 13 INT 132.4 RAT
    • Rex Grossman 2000 FR 131/212 61.8% 1866 YDS 21 TD 7 INT 161.8 RAT
    • Jesse Palmer 2000 SR 116/223 52.0% 1653 YDS 11 TD 4 INT 127.0 RAT
    • Rex Grossman 2001 SO 259/395 65.6% 3896 YDS 34 TD 12 INT 170.8 RAT
    • Rex Grossman 2002 JR 287/503 57.1% 3402 YDS 22 TD 17 INT 121.5 RAT
    • Chris Leak 2003 FR 190/320 59.4% 2435 YDS 16 TD 11 INT 132.9 RAT
    • Chris Leak 2004 SO 238/399 59.6% 3197 YDS 29 TD 12 INT 144.9 RAT
    • Chris Leak 2005 JR 235/374 62.8% 2639 YDS 20 TD 6 INT 136.5 RAT
    • Chris Leak 2006 SR 232/365 63.6% 2942 YDS 23 TD 13 INT 144.9 RAT
    • Tim Tebow 2007 SO 234/350 66.9% 3286 YDS 32 TD 6 INT 172.5 RAT
    • Tim Tebow 2008 JR 192/298 64.4% 2746 YDS 30 TD 4 INT 172.4 RAT
    • Tim Tebow 2009 SR 213/314 67.8% 2895 YDS 21 TD 5 INT 164.2 RAT
    • John Brantley 2010 JR 200/329 60.8% 2061 YDS 9 TD 10 INT 116.4 RAT
    • John Brantley 2011 SR 144/240 60.0% 2044 YDS 11 TD 7 INT 140.8 RAT
    • Jeff Driskel 2012 SO 156/245 63.7% 1646 YDS 12 TD 5 INT 132.2 RAT
    • Jeff Driskel 2013 JR QB 42/61 68.9% 477 YDS 2 TD 3 INT 135.5 RAT
    • Jeff Driskel 2014 JR QB 114/212 53.8% 1140 YDS 9 TD 10 INT 103.5 RAT
    • Treon Harris 2014 FR 55/111 49.5% 1019 YDS 9 TD 4 INT 146.2 RAT
    • Treon Harris 2015 SO QB 119/235 50.6% 1676 YDS 9 TD 6 INT 118.1 RAT
    • Will Grier 2015 FR QB 105/160 65.6% 1202 YDS 10 TD 3 INT 145.6 RAT
    • Austin Appleby 2016 TR-SR 127/209 60.8% 1447 YDS 10 TD 7 INT 128.0 RAT
    • Luke Del Rio 2016 TR-SO 114/201 56.7% 1358 YDS 8 TD 8 INT 118.6 RAT
    • Luke Del Rio 2017 TR-JR 16/25 64.0% 138 YDS 1 TD 1 INT 115.6 RAT
    • Feleipe Franks 2017 RFR 125/229 54.6% 1438 YDS 9 TD 8 INT 113.3 RAT
    • Feleipe Franks 2018 RSO 175/299 58.5% 2284 YDS 7.6 23 TD 6 INT 144.1 RAT
    • Kyle Trask 2019 RJR 237/354 66.9% 2941 YDS 8.3 25 TD 7 INT 156.2 RAT
    For perspective, here is the ranking of Gator QBs by passer rating since Tim Tebow left in 2009:
    1. Feleipe Franks 173.4 (2019 weeks 1-4 Florida)
    2. Feleipe Franks + Kyle Trask 164.7 (2019 Florida combined)
    3. Kyle Trask 156.2 (2019 Florida)
    4. Will Grier 145.6 (2015 weeks 1-6 Florida)
    5. Feleipe Franks 143.4 (2018 Florida)
    6. Kyle Trask 157.0 (2016-2019 Florida)
    7. Feleipe Franks 135.7 (2016-2019 Florida)
    8. Jeff Driskel 134.1 (2011-2015 Florida and La Tech)
    9. Malik Zaire 133.5 (2014-2017 Notre Dame and Florida)
    10. John Brantley 133.3 (2008-2011 Florida)
    11. Jacoby Brissett 131.3 (2011-2015, Florida and NC State)
    12. Skyler Mornhinweg 128.2 (2013 Florida)
    13. Austin Appleby 128.0 (2016 Florida)
    14. Treon Harris 127.1 (2014-2015 Florida)
    15. Tyler Murphy 123.9 (2013-2014 Florida and Boston College)
    16. Tyler Murphy 121.1 (2013 Florida)
    17. Luke Del Rio 118.6 (2016 Florida)
    18. Luke Del Rio 118.3 (2015-2017 Florida)
    19. Jeff Driskel 117.8 (2011-2014 Florida)
    20. Jordan Reed 117.2 (2010 Florida, moved to TE 2011-2012)
    21. Austin Appleby 114.3 (2013-2016 Purdue and Florida)
    22. Jacoby Brissett 109.6 (2011-2012 Florida)
    23. Malik Zaire 104.9 (2017 Florida)
    TLDR: QB play at Florida has been woeful since Tim Tebow graduated. Will Grier showed promise in his half season of 2015. Note that Grier racked up passer ratings of 162.7 and 175.5 at West Virginia in 2017 and 2018.

    Finally, here are the QBs that have been coached by Dan Mullen and his protege QB coaches:
    • Tyson Lee 2009 107.0
    • Chris Relf 2010 141.5
    • Chris Relf 2011 121.0
    • Tyler Russell 2012 135.4
    • Dak Prescott 2013 121.6
    • Dak Prescott 2014 151.5
    • Dak Prescott 2015 152.7
    • Nick Fitzgerald 2016 124.3
    • Nick Fitzgerald 2017 117.1
    • Feleipe Franks 2018 143.4
    • Feleipe Franks/ Kyle Trask 2019 164.7
    • Kyle Trask 2019 156.2
    Trask is the best Mullen-coached QB since Mullen left Florida in 2008! Kyle has definitely stepped up as a top-10 performer against some great Gator QBs, and as a Mullen protege.
     
  2. Escambia94

    Escambia94 Aerospace Cubicle Engineer (ACE) Moderator

    As we enter week 10 of the 2020 season, Kyle Trask has certainly solidified his position among the pantheon of Gator QBs. Granted, it is still early, but here is where Trask sits currently among all SEC QBs in career passing efficiency:
    1. Tua Tagovailoa 199.4 RAT
    2. Joe Burrow 172.3 RAT
    3. Tim Tebow 170.8 RAT
    4. Kyle Trask 166.2 RAT
    5. Johnny Manziel 164.1 RAT
    6. Danny Wuerffel 163.6 RAT
    7. AJ McCarron 162.5 RAT
    8. Aaron Murray 158.6 RAT
    9. Ryan Mallet 158.1 RAT
    10. Jordan Ta'amu 156.8 RAT
    That is a 10-point improvement over his career average as it was at the end of the last season. How does this compare against all NCAA QBs all time? #13! How about this year alone? As of week 10 he is #3 and trailing Mac Jones and Zach Wilson with a 189.0 RAT. He is tied for #1 with the most passing TDs despite playing fewer games than the others in the tie.
     
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  3. DRU2012

    DRU2012 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    I appreciate (as always) the analytical evidence, but results plus “the eyetest” alone have already made the point, in MY view: Through a ridiculous sequence of circumstances, we have somehow stumbled into our best QB BY FAR in many seasons. AND we have meanwhile accrued a nice collection of targets and weapons around him (“mismatches all over the field” as one announcer gushed on Saturday during the game-telecast), so we can be excused for “hoping for the best”, if not quite “confidently expecting”it quite yet...it’ll take us actually CONVERTING on this promise, at least GETTING to the SEC Championship and acquitting ourselves with proud competence—and hopefully on to the FFF—before we’ll able to even CONSIDER bragging on our team’s pending success in an upcoming “BIG GAME”...
    For now, we are still I think at the
    “I dunno—I’m still sweating this one out!”-stage. How do y’all feel?
     
  4. DRU2012

    DRU2012 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    PS
    Wouldn’t we all feel a LITTLE better about this game if we could have had a FULL HOUSE in the Swamp??!
    Imagine what a huge, LOUD advantage that might have been coming “home” after the big win in Jacksonville!
     
  5. DRU2012

    DRU2012 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    This is another huge one: Either we keep it going, win this handily, further building our confidence and rep, then the experts (except for Herbstreet, God love him) be DAMNED!
    I mean it: I am already SO sick of the “A&M beat ‘em head-to-head!” argument...Not even gonna launch INTO the LIST of reasons why, long as our guys keep winning, that game fades in relevance as far as our chances of making it into the FFF: If it all culminates in our beating Alabama in the SEC Championship Game (and admittedly, getting there undefeated and BEATING them is a BIG “IF”—especially the last part!), we WILL be in the Playoff.
    But for now I am DONE with that whole discussion.
    In fact, for the moment, all we should be focused on and concerned about is beating Franks and the Razorbacks this Saturday. With Pitts of course I feel we do so GOING AWAY; but considering that he’s a “long shot/questionable”, this will be a real “test” of our depth and overall continued improvement ALL OVER the field after all...Win this one under ANY conditions, avoiding a let down after the big win in Jacksonville, should give us the swagger and deserving credit that we will deservedly carry forward down the stretch.
    We’re NOT there yet, but the stronger we look, the more calm certainty we show in winning THIS one, the more I think we can begin to relax and enjoy this team’s play.
    It’s been a long time since we could approach games in the second half of the season with THAT attitude!
     
  6. Escambia94

    Escambia94 Aerospace Cubicle Engineer (ACE) Moderator

    To be fair, Herbstreit has been backing off his point on head-to-head competition as more B1G games have been cancelled. If the Gators win out including Alabama, nobody is going to be talking about the A&M game from one month and 50 COVID outbreaks ago. If the Gators lose a close one to Alabama, the CFP committee may not have enough data on Pac-12 and B1G teams to completely rule out Florida. Of course the situation will be easy to sort out of Florida loses any game prior to the SEC championship, if they get blown out by Alabama in the SEC championship, or if a bunch of other teams emerge from COVID outbreaks in better positions than Florida. For example, even if Ohio State has one or two games cancelled, if they need to blow out Indiana, Illinois, Michigan State, and Michigan by significant margins with Justin Fields balling out with a QB rating above 189 in order to completely solidify their position.

    As it pertains to Kyle Trask, it is hard to say what this means for a Heisman unless he can outgun Mac Jones against Alabama.
     
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  7. DRU2012

    DRU2012 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    More than anything, I think, we have put ourselves in POSITION to “take it game-by-game”—It truly IS now a matter of just taking care of our own business:
    To quote Al Davis again (more apropos than ever, thanks to our performance (and OUTCOME) in the LAST game):
    “Just WIN, baby.” ...Yeah, an obvious cliche, but one we have finally put ourselves in position to make WORK for us! We SHOULD be “BETTER” than this Arkansas team—with or WITHOUT their head coach for this one.
    With Franks and teammates emotionally charged (dedicating the game to their Covid-positive Coach), AND the obvious “emotional charge” Filipe rode coming into this one in ANY event, with his teammates’ support this one concerns me: I figure that very EMOTIONALISM could cut either way...Yes, it could bite us—but Filipe has had problems with his emotional COMPOSURE in the past.
    Me, I’m hoping that despite the “happy talk”, OUR Coach can and will make that work against him just ONE MORE TIME. God knows it worked AGAINST US more than once when he was here!
    Thing is, we have EVERY REASON to sweat this one: That “17+ point spread” we are supposedly favored by is a TRAP!
    I would LOVE to see us win big—and perhaps we will—but for now I’d feel better just knowing we came into this one with a healthy respect for them and accompanying awareness of our own vulnerabilities.
    Pitts probably won’t play (and will be limited regardless—he hasn’t been practicing with the team this week, and beyond that Mullens will be careful with him regardless)...Given THEIR defense and the seeming potential OVER-reliance on our passing game BEFORE our star-TE’s injury, it would be especially helpful and encouraging to see our RUNNING game step forward a notch in efficiency in this one. We would SEEM to have skill players who could assume that role; our O-line has shown steady improvement (they definitely stepped it up against UGA—a stiff challenge going in, and less of one facing us from the Razorbacks, or so it would seem).
    I would be satisfied with a “workman-like win” here—sure, something a little more “breakout” would be nice, but with all the chances here for a “let down” in a “trap game”, simply NOT falling behind early, just asserting ourselves from the start (they’ll likely come out flying under Franks, script an aggressive sequence of offensive series using the long pass, seeking to jump out to an early lead), just tying them up, slowing them down and instead getting US the early lead...
    After that, if we can manage it, it becomes mostly a matter of “rope-a-dope”: Control the tempo and flow of play, drive the field, take advantage of the opportunities that will come as Filipe and co. begin to get frustrated and press.
    In this way we can win fairly handily—not too dazzling, maybe, but in steady fashion, going away.
    “Slow but steady”, for a change?
    I’ll take it, happily, however we get there.
    After that, it could be a smooth road to the SEC Championship Game—which would suit me just fine.
    “Just WIN, baby.”
     
  8. Escambia94

    Escambia94 Aerospace Cubicle Engineer (ACE) Moderator

    I heard it best on one of the Gator podcasts: the Gators are possibly in a position where they no longer need to take it game-by-game. Alabama, Clemson, and Ohio State do not worry about trap games, because they have the talent and coaching to survive injuries and suspensions necessary to plan year-long campaigns to the championship games. Florida is not quite there until they can unseat Alabama, because there is really only room for one king of each Power-5 conference. It takes a weak Notre Dame, Big 12, and/ or Pac-12 for a the SEC to sneak in a second team, so Florida still has some steps to take.

    If Florida has arrived, then the Arkansas game is not a trap game. Nobody other than fans think this is a trap game.

    This thread is about Kyle Trask, so I will focus on Trask. He needs to stay on schedule with 4 TDs per game and 310 yards in order to unseat the only obstacle for the Gator program--Mac Jones and Alabama. The Alabama defense is almost as bad as Florida's, but they have the advantage of a good running game that Florida completely lacks. The running game is typically necessary for long-term success in the passing game, but if the Gators can manufacture yards from scrimmage out of the running backs on the ground or the air, that could substitute for a true running game somewhat. Here is what the QB race looks like:
    1. Justin Fields, Ohio State, 72/83 (86.7%) 908 YD 11 TD 0 INT 222.4 RAT
    2. Mac Jones, Alabama, 139/177 (78.5%) 2196 YD 16 TD 2 INT 210.3 RAT
    3. Zach Wilson, BYU, 165/220 (75.0%) 2511 YD 21 TD 2 INT 200.6 RAT
    4. Kyle Trask, Florida, 125/182 (68.7%) 1815 YD 22 TD 3 INT 189.0 RAT
    5. Trevor Lawrence, Clemson, 135/191 (70.7%) 1833 YD 17 TD 178.6 RAT
    Many sports pundits are going to rule out Justin Fields unless he can get more games for comparison. Zach Wilson will only get consideration if the brand name QBs falter or if he creates head-and-shoulders separation. It is up to Kyle to to assert his role in NCAA history. No pressure.
     
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  9. DRU2012

    DRU2012 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    “No pressure”. LOL.
    Good one, E—.
    As for the rest, of COURSE you’re right:
    If we were “already there”, we wouldn’t HAVE to worry about “trap games”...but lately, some of the teams we (or at least I) had rated “elite teams” have turned out to “have feet of clay” after all—challenged, even BEATEN by seemingly lesser teams...and in this Year of Covid, you get no “special slack” for being “down a key player or two” come Gameday.
    So it isn’t JUST a matter of the Gators having fully evolved to MATCH them, but that those at the top have “fallen BACK some” TOO!
    Yes, there is still work, on the recruiting trail AND on the sidelines, to be done to get us up to speed and annually installed as “Championship Contenders”—but in this “special year” we do now have a “special opportunity” to join that crowd NOW, after all—precarious, and for the moment at least confined to this crossroads, in this particular season’s unique set of circumstances. BUT...
    BUT: It is in our own hands. Against all odds, despite having seeming to have let it all slip away from us before now—and certainly there remains some question as to IF we have the tools and/or talent to overcome the challenges ahead—but there THEY are, and here WE are, and after so much apparently it is now back down to
    “ALL UP TO US”:
    TO WIN OR LOSE, rise or fall on the basis of our own efforts and response to the challenges posed. Sooner or later, I think it was ALWAYS going to come to that...and sooner or later it was going to be up to US to “rise above”.
    That’s what Champions DO—and that, as ever, is who we aim to BE. Do we dare shrink away from that challenge, that CALL???
    I think not.
     
  10. DRU2012

    DRU2012 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    IMPORTANT:
    (maybe even “URGENT”!!!)

    See the column, “Sports Illustrated: Kyle Trask Now Ranked No. 2 Senior Bowl Quarterback”...
    Important coverage of EXACTLY the subject covered and points raised throughout this thread.
     
  11. Escambia94

    Escambia94 Aerospace Cubicle Engineer (ACE) Moderator

    Kyle Trask has the #2 passer rating on throws 20+ yards downfield. Feleipe Franks is #4.
     
  12. DRU2012

    DRU2012 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    It SOUNDS as if, despite your seeming parallel conclusion that we “SHOULD BEAT” Franks and Arkansas—that, as a QB-reborn at his new posting AND as a TEAM in general surprisingly coming into its own this season as it continues to play out, you in FACT are now coming to believe they match up WELL against us—and without PITTS we MIGHT be in trouble against them after all.
    This has been a worrisome feeling/angle that has troubled a FEW of us in the last few days leading UP to this game; We’d feel a WHOLE LOT BETTER to see us come out, grab an early lead and proceed to STEP ON THEIR NECKS!
    Just one “COMPLETE GAME”, finally.
    If there were ever a time to NEED one, competent efficiency, its expectation and realization NOT be too much to ask, this is it.
     
  13. DRU2012

    DRU2012 Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    PS I too would SURE LIKE TO SEE OUR RUNNING GAME GET UNTRACKED!
    They’ve been trying, in both recruiting and coaching, to build and TRAIN a powerful and efficient O-line now for several years!
     

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