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O-town Gator

Gator Fan
This is foolish and short-sighted. We were 13-1 last year because we had the best defense in the nation and one of the greatest players of all-time playing QB. We were 13-1 last year in SPITE of Addazio, not because of him. Without that defense we lose 5 games last year easy.

Addazio is the coaching version of Rex Grossman (as much as I love Grossman, it has to be said). When the Bears uber defense was holding them up people used that to defend him, but we saw what happened when that defense went away.

The one game that our defense didn't dominate last year we got blown out in. The offense can't win us games with Addazio at the helm, in spite of its immense talent. The defense has to do it for us. With the amount of talent we have on offense, the offense should be able to carry us even if we had a poor defense.

Imagine if this Addazio offense played with the defense that Mullen was stuck with in 2007. We'd go winless in the SEC.

The Miami OH effort wasn't just a bad game, it was the worst offensive performance in Gator football history since before the Spurrier era. The bad snaps just blind you people as to how bad the offense was even when we were getting good snaps. 26 yards of total offense through three quarters against one of the worst teams in D1 football is inexcusable for Hofstra, much less FLORIDA.

Who's being foolish here? All I see is an outright blind hatred for Steve Addazio that seems to be driving one's opinion, whose sole opinion seems to be the only one that matters here. Apparently the fact that we were ranked third in the nation in total offense last season is irrelevant to you.

This may have been the worst performance in your eyes, but it so happens I'm old enough to remember 0-10-1. I've seen a hell of a lot worse before the Spurrier era, mind you.

You start a site which is nothing more or less than a glorified, vitriolic rant based in part on account of the outcome of one single game and then exaggerate this notion without even checking your facts - again, who's being foolish here?

The reason for the bad snaps from Mike Pouncey was due to poor execution on his part - NOT on account of Addazio's playcalling. Give me a break.
 

JvilleJohnny

Senior Member
Are you guys forgetting about the Sugar Bowl last year?? 659 total offensive yards.. 28 first downs...51 points against a pretty damn good Cincinnati team. with who as OC??? Steve Addazio. I think it would be pretty tough to get 650+ yards with just 8 plays in a playbook.

Guys, Saturday was just poor execution on a lot of the players. You don't even know half of the plays that were called because they were blown before they had a chance to develop. I recall one good long deep pass from Brantley to Thompson that was dropped (or broken up by the defender).

A lot of Saturday's woes was Pouncey's fault. Not being prepared. Not executing the snap before rising to block. But I have total faith in Coach Meyer, AND Coach Addazio to help Mike and JB improve their QB-Center chemistry and exchange. As well as helping the ENTIRE team with keeping that ball as close and tight to their body as humanly possible.

ONE bad game isn't the end of the world people. Jump if you want to. It doesn't make a difference to me. but I KNOW that the Gators will be fine. And I'll be right behind them cheering them on no matter what.:gator:
 

ShortBus

VIP Member
Are you guys forgetting about the Sugar Bowl last year?? 659 total offensive yards.. 28 first downs...51 points against a pretty damn good Cincinnati team. with who as OC??? Steve Addazio. I think it would be pretty tough to get 650+ yards with just 8 plays in a playbook.

Guys, Saturday was just poor execution on a lot of the players. You don't even know half of the plays that were called because they were blown before they had a chance to develop. I recall one good long deep pass from Brantley to Thompson that was dropped (or broken up by the defender).

A lot of Saturday's woes was Pouncey's fault. Not being prepared. Not executing the snap before rising to block. But I have total faith in Coach Meyer, AND Coach Addazio to help Mike and JB improve their QB-Center chemistry and exchange. As well as helping the ENTIRE team with keeping that ball as close and tight to their body as humanly possible.

ONE bad game isn't the end of the world people. Jump if you want to. It doesn't make a difference to me. but I KNOW that the Gators will be fine. And I'll be right behind them cheering them on no matter what.:gator:

exactly what i've been saying! well said sir! :punk:
 

shandsgator8

VIP Member
I don't mind all this criticism of Addazio, but some of you act like Mullen was the perfect OC. Imagine how much easier Addazio's job would be with Percy Harvin. All Mullen had to do was 1 of 3 things: give the ball to Tebow to run, give it to Harvin to run, or pass it to Harvin - easy peezy. Ok, so it wasn't that easy, but don't forget how good Harvin really was.
 

MahxFahn

Gator Fan
Numbers don't lie...........

What's all the complainin' about?
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2006 GATORS
Total Offense 396.1 ypg 2nd in SEC 19th in Nation
Scoring Offense 29.7 ppg 2nd in SEC 23rd in Nation


2007 GATORS
Total Offense 457.2 ypg 1st in SEC 14th in Nation
Scoring Offense 42.5 ppg 1st in SEC 3rd in Nation


2008 GATORS
Total Offense 445.1 ypg 1st in SEC 15th in Nation
Scoring Offense 43.6 ppg 1st in SEC 4th in Nation


2009 GATORS
Total Offense 457.9 ypg 1st in SEC 6th in Nation
Scoring Offense 35.9 ppg 2nd in SEC 10th in Nation

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FrozenGator

Gator Fan
What's all the complainin' about?
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2006 GATORS
Total Offense 396.1 ypg 2nd in SEC 19th in Nation
Scoring Offense 29.7 ppg 2nd in SEC 23rd in Nation


2007 GATORS
Total Offense 457.2 ypg 1st in SEC 14th in Nation
Scoring Offense 42.5 ppg 1st in SEC 3rd in Nation


2008 GATORS
Total Offense 445.1 ypg 1st in SEC 15th in Nation
Scoring Offense 43.6 ppg 1st in SEC 4th in Nation


2009 GATORS
Total Offense 457.9 ypg 1st in SEC 6th in Nation
Scoring Offense 35.9 ppg 2nd in SEC 10th in Nation

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How dare you bring up facts at a time like this! Don't you realise this debate is based entirely on emotion? Get your head in the game, dude.

:p
 

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
Another sensible observation that I saw on another board:

After watching the threads all week, and not throwing in my two bits, I need to vent.
I've been a season ticket holder for 15 years, and a Gator fan since birth. In all that time, I've never seen as poor of an offensive performance as I did last week. We were inept in every facet of our offensive game.

That said, the main problems weren't with the playcalling, so much as they were with the poor snaps, the pathetic blocking by both the OL and WRs, and the general lack of focus/ execution by all offensive players. Sure the coaches are to blame for that lack of focus, but it's pathetic to see how our spoiled fan base has turned Addazio into a scapegoat.

Most of Addazio's detractors point to last season's dip in scoring, when compared to '08, as the first sign of his ineptitude, but frankly, when you lose players like Percy Harvin and Louis Murphy, it's not so easy to come by the big plays that we relied on in '08. They also say that Addazio somehow held Tebow back from his greatest season ever, when truly Tebow had a sub- par year, mostly as a result of his indecisiveness in the pocket, especially after the concussion. Even with Tebow's sub- par play and without the number of play makers from the previous season, our team yardage totals were virtually identical to '08, we just lacked the big plays and sometimes struggled in redzone situations. Regardless, WE HAD THE ONLY UNDEFEATED REGULAR SEASON IN FLORIDA HISTORY. Had our players, on both sides of the ball, showed up for the Bama game, we would not be having this discussion at all. So throw out the argument that Addazio somehow is responsible for last year's offensive woes ( if you can even call them that).

So, if we throw out those arguments, the only negative against Addazio is the Miami game, which I admit, was called somewhat conservatively. Although, if you watch the tape, Miami was playing two (safeties) deep most of the game, regardless of what you think you remember. That's why you saw so many short yardage plays involving the running backs. Had our blocking, especially on the perimeter, been effective, you'd have seen those plays turn into much larger gains than they were. One example was the Rainey fumble, which was directly caused by a blown block by DT. That type of poor blocking was evident throughout the game, and without good blocking all around, the spread does not work. Most of these detractors seem to forget that many of Percy's big plays were short yardage passes, which, thanks to good blocking by the likes of Cooper & Murphy, turned into long touchdowns.
Also, imagine if DT hadn't dropped that pass in the end zone. I don't care what you all say, it was a drop. If you get two hands on a ball, you're supposed to catch it. Imagine if Brantley had been a little more patient and not overthrown Moore on that deep post. Both of those calls were wide open plays and perfect calls for the situation, just poorly executed. If both of those high percentage plays (1 on 1 coverage) had been executed properly, I don't think anyone would be complaining about the lack of downfield passing. When the opportunities were there, we took them.

I could really go on for pages, but I'll stop here. Just two more things: 1) Remember that our game plans are done by committee, so any blame you place on Addazio needs to be placed equally on Urban and the rest of the offensive coaches.
2) Realize that the '08 offense was incredible, one of the most dominant in history, and seasons like that don't happen regularly, especially not in this modern- day SEC, with its NFL caliber defenses.

So, quit booing. Quit your chicken little/sky is falling routine. Grow up and support your Gators. ( I can dream, right?)

Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=163825#ixzz0yyluFn7V
 

MahxFahn

Gator Fan
How dare you bring up facts at a time like this! Don't you realise this debate is based entirely on emotion? Get your head in the game, dude.

:p
I stand duly corrected......
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leakbrewergator

Awesomeness
Apparently the fact that we only lost one game last season means absolutely nothing to you; all that matters is that you can jump on the Fire Addazio bandwagon and spout off your childish rants.

If you think you can do a better job as the OC, then perhaps YOU should go out on the field and try your hand at it.

What really matters when all is said and done is that we WIN. 'Nuff said.


Normally I agree with you, O, but we are on polar opposite sides on the Addazio issue.

It's not just one game that has Gator fans so upset w/ his play calling. Our offense struggled last year. Period. I don't care if we won 13 games or 3. That doesn't change the fact that our offense had some serious issues, particularly in the play-calling dept. Outside of the UGA (horrible DC), FSU (just overall bad) and Cincy (completely over-matched) games last year, has this offense ever put together a complete performance that really left you comfortable with Addazio's ability? (Not including the cupcake games from last season.) I would say no.

I think the OP in this thread may be a little absurd, but I also think it's absurd to "call out" anyone who is unhappy with the play calling. It's a real issue, and whether you like it or not, it has been an issue since Addazio took over.

He's a heck of an O-Line coach. I'm just not "thrilled" with him as an OC. This actually has nothing to do with the Miami game last week. I'll let him off the hook somewhat for that b/c of the miscues. (He's not completely off the hook considering most of the miscues came from his unit.)

I hope he turns things around and quiets his critics, including me. However, for now, his critics have some serious ammo.
 

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
Normally I agree with you, O, but we are on polar opposite sides on the Addazio issue.

It's not just one game that has Gator fans so upset w/ his play calling. Our offense struggled last year. Period. I don't care if we won 13 games or 3. That doesn't change the fact that our offense had some serious issues, particularly in the play-calling dept. Outside of the UGA (horrible DC), FSU (just overall bad) and Cincy (completely over-matched) games last year, has this offense ever put together a complete performance that really left you comfortable with Addazio's ability? (Not including the cupcake games from last season.) I would say no.

I think the OP in this thread may be a little absurd, but I also think it's absurd to "call out" anyone who is unhappy with the play calling. It's a real issue, and whether you like it or not, it has been an issue since Addazio took over.

He's a heck of an O-Line coach. I'm just not "thrilled" with him as an OC. This actually has nothing to do with the Miami game last week. I'll let him off the hook somewhat for that b/c of the miscues. (He's not completely off the hook considering most of the miscues came from his unit.)

I hope he turns things around and quiets his critics, including me. However, for now, his critics have some serious ammo.


As long as we're winning, that's what really matters. As I had said on another thread, if our guys can't get the fundamentals down and execute them correctly, the play won't be made - IMO then it's senseless to keep bitching about the "playcalling" when these kids made the number of mistakes that they did. You've got to break eggs to make an omelet.

Another point - if there were this many issues with Addazio and the "playcalling", why was the one faction who wants his head on a platter just coming out of hibernation now, and after only the first game of this season?

Too many fans still expect to see the "Fun-n-Gun" out there, and that's not how this offense is designed - and those fans still expecting that better come to their senses.
 

leakbrewergator

Awesomeness
As long as we're winning, that's what really matters. As I had said on another thread, if our guys can't get the fundamentals down and execute them correctly, the play won't be made - IMO then it's senseless to keep bitching about the "playcalling" when these kids made the number of mistakes that they did. You've got to break eggs to make an omelet.

Another point - if there were this many issues with Addazio and the "playcalling", why was the one faction who wants his head on a platter just coming out of hibernation now, and after only the first game of this season?

Too many fans still expect to see the "Fun-n-Gun" out there, and that's not how this offense is designed - and those fans still expecting that better come to their senses.

I hear ya O, but the winning ways won't continue if the play calling doesn't change. Our strength last year definitely was the D and that seems to be the case again this year ( I know it's early) so we may be able to win quite a bit again. We'll see.

Have you really not heard or seen anybody bashing Addazio prior to this week? I find that hard to believe. The "Addazio Is A Questionable Playcaller" clique has been rather vocal since early last season. Sure it's picked up some steam after week 1, and of course it would be nonsensical to call for an OC's head after only 1 week. However, it has been one whole year and one week.

Also, as I said in my initial post, you can't give Addazio a complete free pass from week 1 b/c of the lack of execution. It was his unit that caused most of our issues.
 

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
I hear ya O, but the winning ways won't continue if the play calling doesn't change. Our strength last year definitely was the D and that seems to be the case again this year ( I know it's early) so we may be able to win quite a bit again. We'll see.

Have you really not heard or seen anybody bashing Addazio prior to this week? I find that hard to believe. The "Addazio Is A Questionable Playcaller" clique has been rather vocal since early last season. Sure it's picked up some steam after week 1, and of course it would be nonsensical to call for an OC's head after only 1 week. However, it has been one whole year and one week.

Also, as I said in my initial post, you can't give Addazio a complete free pass from week 1 b/c of the lack of execution. It was his unit that caused most of our issues.


You're missing my point. If these kids can't execute properly, how the hell are they suppose to make plays? Fumbles and bad snaps aren't caused by "playcalling", they're due to poor control on the part of the player and bad execution. When the fundamentals are executed the right way, the play happens.

It's not rocket science.

And as for all this uproar over "playcalling", it's absurd. We went undefeated in the regular season and won a BCS bowl last year. Sorry, but I refuse to jump on the Fire Steve Addazio bandwagon.
 

leakbrewergator

Awesomeness
You're missing my point. If these kids can't execute properly, how the hell are they suppose to make plays? Fumbles and bad snaps aren't caused by "playcalling", they're due to poor control on the part of the player and bad execution. When the fundamentals are executed the right way, the play happens.

It's not rocket science.

And as for all this uproar over "playcalling", it's absurd. We went undefeated in the regular season and won a BCS bowl last year. Sorry, but I refuse to jump on the Fire Steve Addazio bandwagon.

You're missing my point as well. Week 1's performance is not why I or most others are upset with Addazio. It's been his playcalling since he took over as OC. He's had an entire year, not just one week.

That doesn't seem like rocket science to me either.

You don't need to jump on any bandwagon. I'm not attacking you for defending Addazio. I just think it's absurd to attack other people who are concerned with the play calling. It's a real issue whether you like it or not.
 

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
You're missing my point as well. Week 1's performance is not why I or most others are upset with Addazio. It's been his playcalling since he took over as OC. He's had an entire year, not just one week.

That doesn't seem like rocket science to me either.

You don't need to jump on any bandwagon. I'm not attacking you for defending Addazio. I just think it's absurd to attack other people who are concerned with the play calling. It's a real issue whether you like it or not.

I'm not "attacking" anybody - it's called debate, and it so happens I disagree with that point of view.
 

leakbrewergator

Awesomeness
I'm not "attacking" anybody - it's called debate, and it so happens I disagree with that point of view.

O-Town, I have all kinds of respect for you, and I believe this is the first issue we've ever bumped heads on, so I can definitely agree to disagree.

I'm sorry for calling you out for "attacking" other posters. I was going off one of your posts from the first page. Looking back, it wasn't that bad. I must have been in a testy mood last night....
 

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
O-Town, I have all kinds of respect for you, and I believe this is the first issue we've ever bumped heads on, so I can definitely agree to disagree.

I'm sorry for calling you out for "attacking" other posters. I was going off one of your posts from the first page. Looking back, it wasn't that bad. I must have been in a testy mood last night....

Apology accepted, but we must agree to disagree and leave it at that. :)
 

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