...Since No One ELSE Here Has Mentioned It...

[DRU2012]

I don't even especially wanna talk about the guy, but with this all coming out about his QB/"Team Leader" nabbed for drunk driving, etc, and the ridiculous 1-game suspension ensuing, well, WE all knew the moment we heard about this: URBAN MEYER WILL DO AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE as far as any kind of discipline, anything that can hurt his chances of winning games and championships. Never mind any of the crap in that book on "Leadership" he's recently released and been hawking. Nevermind anything having to do with "life lessons", " the good of the young man" or the larger picture, long range health of his team or program or any of that...It's all about just 2 things: Urban Meyer, and what happens regarding the outcome of future games on "his" schedule. Period.
Oh MAN, we could tell 'em ALL how this REALLY goes with this guy...I mean, THATS a book that's BEGGING to be written...

 

[Leakfan12]

I didn't want to but I guess I can give my two cents. One hand, maybe we shouldn't talk about it especially after Grier got suspended himself though who can make the case for Grier not knowing what he was taking vs a guy who probably should have know what he was doing getting behind the wheel of a vehicle drunk. Meyer also did the same thing in Florida when he should have kick off a certain tight end in 2007 when he attacked a bar manager and now that tight end is behind bars for murder. Plus would it matter, they got like three quarterback they could use. I just hope the Michigan schools beat them.

 

[DRU2012]

I didn't want to but I guess I can give my two cents. One hand, maybe we shouldn't talk about it especially after Grier got suspended himself though who can make the case for Grier not knowing what he was taking vs a guy who probably should have know what he was doing getting behind the wheel of a vehicle drunk. Meyer also did the same thing in Florida when he should have kick off a certain tight end in 2007 when he attacked a bar manager and now that tight end is behind bars for murder. Plus would it matter, they got like three quarterback they could use. I just hope the Michigan schools beat them.

Know EXACTLY what you're saying, Lf...As for the Grier thing, though, there's NO comparison, imho: First, Will didn't endanger anyone else (and not even himself, really: From what we know, that over-the-counter "supplement" is a pretty innocuous WEIGHT GAIN product, period (he WAS rail thin when he got here--we all noticed that early on)--and of course it's hard to square the two different punishments, ultimately.
In fact, "fairness" would in fact be simply achieved if the two "sentences" were to just be REVERSED!!! But that's a "real world" concept, and this is the NCAA, after all.
(Hell, punishing a kid like Will, foolishly but essentially innocently taking something that has an ingredient included/buried on the LONG list of "substances banned by the NCAA"--and by all accounts granting nothing in the way of "performance enhancement" EXCEPT weight gain, btw--the same as you would someone muscle-injecting anabolic steroids for years, and swallowing handfuls of masking agents in order to hide it, with all that world's seedy conspiracies of smugglers, middle men and disgraced ex-doctors, etc, is a complete breakdown in justice, fairness and the whole idea of "due process", to begin with--but all THAT is a different story, of course).

 

[Escambia94]

Urban Meyer? Who is that? I don't care.

 

[Leakfan12]

Urban Meyer? Who is that? I don't care.

To be fair, That Dude did win two national titles with the Gators though I agree about not caring about him now expect when those A--Holes he coaches loses. Then I like, how does that taste @$$hole?

 

[miltongator]

Know EXACTLY what you're saying, Lf...As for the Grier thing, though, there's NO comparison, imho: First, Will didn't endanger anyone else (and not even himself, really: From what we know, that over-the-counter "supplement" is a pretty innocuous WEIGHT GAIN product, period (he WAS rail thin when he got here--we all noticed that early on)--and of course it's hard to square the two different punishments, ultimately.
In fact, "fairness" would in fact be simply achieved if the two "sentences" were to just be REVERSED!!! But that's a "real world" concept, and this is the NCAA, after all.
(Hell, punishing a kid like Will, foolishly but essentially innocently taking something that has an ingredient included/buried on the LONG list of "substances banned by the NCAA"--and by all accounts granting nothing in the way of "performance enhancement" EXCEPT weight gain, btw--the same as you would someone muscle-injecting anabolic steroids for years, and swallowing handfuls of masking agents in order to hide it, with all that world's seedy conspiracies of smugglers, middle men and disgraced ex-doctors, etc, is a complete breakdown in justice, fairness and the whole idea of "due process", to begin with--but all THAT is a different story, of course).

This from the Florida Alligator:
The conversation should center around the punishments that the NCAA levies against its athletes, not just for performance-enhancing drugs, but for anything.

And to start such a conversation, one ought to begin by comparing Grier’s sentence to the NFL’s punishment for the same offense.

In late 2012, former Florida standout defensive end Jermaine Cunningham was also caught using performance-enhancing drugs.

As a member of the New England Patriots, Cunningham was suspended for four games by the NFL in accordance with the league’s performance-enhancing drugs procedures.

The former Gator’s estimated salary for that year was $540,000, meaning that he’d miss out on about $135,000.

That’s no chump change to be sure, but four games for a player making six figures is unlikely to be career-ending.

For Grier, missing a full 12 months can have a different and possibly more severe consequence.

He’s missing the rest of his redshirt freshman year, and by the time he comes back next year after Week 6, there will presumably already be an established starter.

Grier will likely have a tough time dethroning whoever is atop the depth chart in the middle of the season, meaning that one and a half years are down the tube.

 

[DRU2012]

This from the Florida Alligator:
The conversation should center around the punishments that the NCAA levies against its athletes, not just for performance-enhancing drugs, but for anything.

And to start such a conversation, one ought to begin by comparing Grier’s sentence to the NFL’s punishment for the same offense.

In late 2012, former Florida standout defensive end Jermaine Cunningham was also caught using performance-enhancing drugs.

As a member of the New England Patriots, Cunningham was suspended for four games by the NFL in accordance with the league’s performance-enhancing drugs procedures.

The former Gator’s estimated salary for that year was $540,000, meaning that he’d miss out on about $135,000.

That’s no chump change to be sure, but four games for a player making six figures is unlikely to be career-ending.

For Grier, missing a full 12 months can have a different and possibly more severe consequence.

He’s missing the rest of his redshirt freshman year, and by the time he comes back next year after Week 6, there will presumably already be an established starter.

Grier will likely have a tough time dethroning whoever is atop the depth chart in the middle of the season, meaning that one and a half years are down the tube.

...and lets face it--WE are hoping that someone clearly "as good or better" IS ensconced at QB by then. That's likely to be Treon, if anyone--unless some amazing transfer or super-frosh shows up between seasons.
To put it another way, if Will's length-of-sentence holds up and he's not to return til midseason, whether the 5th OR 7th game, we are probably in somewhat of a hole, maybe a somewhat "disappointing" start, by then: Figure we'll have lost some of our most talented and experienced defensive team, and will prob need to SCORE more early on until no doubt high-potential young players stepping up and in start to catch up to the sheer speed and skill of our league. Mac and Co. are more than up to the challenge of helping them get better and designing schemes that best use them, but the point is, the growing strength of our offense, and our dependence on same, will require a clear and strong leader at QB running Mac and Nussmeyer's evolving offense efficiently. Unless he is allowed to start by Game 1 in 2016, as you say Grier will be either a backup or a somewhat "desperate hope" in a season already starting to seemingly get away from us.
All the more reason we all gotta hope Treon begins to really "get it" NOW. In which case, worst case scenario is Will only gets the starting job back if/when he WINS it by getting SO good he takes it BACK, takes it a SECOND time based on superior play among two "good choices"--which is how it seemed to work eatlier this Fall. That'd be good for us--but as you note, a set of penalties out of all proportion to any concept of "relative justice" for young Will, no matter what.