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When can UF fire Jim McElwain?

Who should be the next Gator coach in 2019?

  • Scott Frost

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  • Kliff Kingsbury

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  • Gary Patterson

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  • Mark Hudspeth

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  • Justin Fuente

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  • Chip Kelly

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Escambia94

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When discussing when to fire one coach and hire another it is important to note that timing is everything. Almost. Money is also important. Some coaches have hefty price tags and "Muschamp clauses" tied to them.
  • Kliff Kingsbury is on contract through 2020 at $3M per year increasing to $4M in 2020, but he loves Texas Tech.
  • Scott Frost is on contract through 2021 at $1.7M, with a $3M buyout.
  • Justin Fuente is doing a good job at Virginia Tech. He is on contract through 2023 at $4M per year and an expensive buyout at this time.
  • Mark Hudspeth is on contract through 2020 with a salary of $1M and a very affordable buyout.
  • Gary Patterson is on contract through 2022 at $4.7M per year.
  • Chip Kelly collects $1M from the Philadelphia Eagles in 2017 and $6M per year from San Francisco in 2017-2019, with a portion of that offset by ESPN.
  • Charlie Strong gets $2.75M from Texas in 2017 and 2018, then $2.5M from USF in 2019, 2020, and 2021. UF would only need to pay USF $2.5M for three years. [Edited]
I have no idea who else should be on this list, but if timing is everything and salary/ buyout is also important, the choices are rather limited now without grabbing NFL coaches. 2019 appears to be the best year to fire Mac based on cost.
 
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Leakfan12

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I like to see them go after Charlie Strong though would Strong leave USF plus I see somewhere his wife's family lives in Lakeland (30 minutes from Tampa).
 

Escambia94

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I like that plan. Charlie Strong gets $2.75M from Texas in 2017 and 2018, and his buyout from USF is only $1M in those years, plus $2.5M in 2019. Of all the best coaches out there, Strong is the most affordable! Wow.
 

Escambia94

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If I were Stricklin, I would be calling Scott Frost and Charlie Strong right now to gauge interest.
 

DRU2012

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When discussing when to fire one coach and hire another it is important to note that timing is everything. Almost. Money is also important. Some coaches have hefty price tags and "Muschamp clauses" tied to them.
  • Kliff Kingsbury is on contract through 2020 at $3M per year increasing to $4M in 2020, but he loves Texas Tech.
  • Scott Frost is on contract through 2021 at $1.7M, with a $3M buyout.
  • Justin Fuente is doing a good job at Virginia Tech. He is on contract through 2023 at $4M per year and an expensive buyout at this time.
  • Mark Hudspeth is on contract through 2020 with a salary of $1M and a very affordable buyout.
  • Gary Patterson is on contract through 2022 at $4.7M per year.
  • Chip Kelly collects $1M from the Philadelphia Eagles in 2017 and $6M per year from San Francisco in 2017-2019, with a portion of that offset by ESPN.
  • Charlie Strong gets $2.75M from Texas in 2017 and 2018, then $2.5M from USF in 2019, 2020, and 2021. UF would only need to pay USF $2.5M for three years. [Edited]
I have no idea who else should be on this list, but if timing is everything and salary/ buyout is also important, the choices are rather limited now without grabbing NFL coaches. 2019 appears to be the best year to fire Mac based on cost.
Like the OC choices, a complex set of evaluations that I am nowhere NEAR positively prepared to render a decision about--and these even more intertwined with the timing and costs questions you so clearly outline. I HAVE myself already named a similar list of the choices themselves in my mind, and am further down the reasoning-road regarding costs and timing involving the men themselves on this matter than in the case of the OC question--but am also frankly more pessimistic about who we're likely to get a shot at, considering the very same "timing" of the choices (when MacEllwaine is likeliest to be gone now, under what circumstances and who'd be available and inclined to go where, what's likely to be happening when). For all the reasons of that timing and the rest, it'll all likely be a matter of making the best of awkward choices at precarious moments. Ultimately, I fear ANOTHER "leap of faith", where we once again will have to HOPE we "get it RIGHT this time"! We just cannot AFFORD to miss again now--whenever "now" arrives, which is ANOTHER set of unknowns, guesses that won't all be correct whenever the time comes.
But the only thing that could save us all of that would be that our present Coach, staff and players somehow pull off some miraculous land-on-their feet, coalescing and maturation as a team that suddenly is playing Championship calibre football that has us dominating our competition in the SEC, getting it done on both sides of the ball, existing and fresh, highly-recruited talent coming in and boosting play across the board--all rendering the resigned-to-descent mood we all (at least to varying degrees) now feel essentially moot practically overnight, over the rest of this season and into the next.
I for one am not betting on that.
 

Escambia94

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If you have other names to add to either list, just post them. I am curious what everyone is thinking. Scott Frost seems to be the favorite.
 

DRU2012

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I can't really tell you why in any reasoned way--but my gut-level, go-for-it/gamble-for-big-possible-payoff choice keeps coming up Kelly; my waited-his-turn/developing-into-"next-great"-COLLEGE-coach choice seems to say Frost; BUT logic, proven-commodity-guy who's already really good, only getting better and has deep state AND UF roots of course is Charlie Strong. He certainly got shafted, maybe went to the "wrong place at the wrong time" at Texas--and with where we were at then, that further messed up timing here at Florida. MIGHT work out for he AND us the next time though:
I seriously doubt we will lose MacElwaine after THIS season no matter what happens (or what we think and/or say: For many reasons, factors involved, seems we are doomed to ride this sinking ship another year regardless); meanwhile I doubt Strong leaves USF QUITE this soon--which DOES in turn begin to sharpen the picture, one where the financial details y'all outline and another season of steady, impressive strength and progress down there, and parallel "sinking mediocrity" up in Gainesville, all meet up in a "timing collision" at the end of NEXT season, finally making UF and Charlie Strong the proverbial "No Brainer".
 

Leakfan12

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I can't really tell you why in any reasoned way--but my gut-level, go-for-it/gamble-for-big-possible-payoff choice keeps coming up Kelly; my waited-his-turn/developing-into-"next-great"-COLLEGE-coach choice seems to say Frost; BUT logic, proven-commodity-guy who's already really good, only getting better and has deep state AND UF roots of course is Charlie Strong. He certainly got shafted, maybe went to the "wrong place at the wrong time" at Texas--and with where we were at then, that further messed up timing here at Florida. MIGHT work out for he AND us the next time though:
I seriously doubt we will lose MacElwaine after THIS season no matter what happens (or what we think and/or say: For many reasons, factors involved, seems we are doomed to ride this sinking ship another year regardless); meanwhile I doubt Strong leaves USF QUITE this soon--which DOES in turn begin to sharpen the picture, one where the financial details y'all outline and another season of steady, impressive strength and progress down there, and parallel "sinking mediocrity" up in Gainesville, all meet up in a "timing collision" at the end of NEXT season, finally making UF and Charlie Strong the proverbial "No Brainer".

Agreed, I think the Stricklin might give Coach Mac mostly because of Franks give him another season under the system though maybe a new OC would be in order. Also so far, Frost and Strong teams are undefeated and a good shot of facing off to see who still undefeated (possible) and who goes to the AAC title game. I know Strong probably has it out for UCF.
 

DRU2012

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Agreed, I think the Stricklin might give Coach Mac mostly because of Franks give him another season under the system though maybe a new OC would be in order. Also so far, Frost and Strong teams are undefeated and a good shot of facing off to see who still undefeated (possible) and who goes to the AAC title game. I know Strong probably has it out for UCF.
(LOL Yes, you're prob right bout Charlie having UCF on his personal "target list")
But big picture, with the practical career and financial points already discussed, when you figure in "proper timing" (fully reclaiming his stature right where he is right now, quickly clearing whatever "doubts" linger among some after Texas--and not having to put another coach in the position HE got put in there), I gotta believe that UF was always on Strong's "dream jobs" short list. If/when things DO continue on this path, it is very possible he'll be well-ready to "Listen" right when we are finally ready to "Ask".
Of course, after everything that we've witnessed (let's face it, "ENDURED") over the years since losing the SEC Championship game vs The Tide (TT's penultimate Gator game) in '09, all the hopes dashed on the field AND on the sidelines AND on the recruiting trail AND on campus and Gainesville and on and on and on--I have a hard time being enthusiastically hopeful regarding the future right now when it comes to the Head Coach...and even harder to trust my own judgement in such matters, at this point.
Oh, and bout the OC, well, that at least SEEMS like a no-brainer for our current Head Coach--but HE only thinks in terms of HIS ass: The question from Mac's POV then is more along lines of, "Which leaves ME escaping enough of the blame: Keeping Nuss to take at least half the heat (if not more), or firing Nussmeyer after practically no improvement there?" Which is a big part of why Mac's not "the guy" in the first place, it turns out. Wasn't he supposed to be some kind of "Offense Mastermind"? Oh well.
 

Escambia94

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I do not fault Jim McElwain for keeping Doug Nussmeier, but I do fault Mac for not finding a co-coordinator. The NCAA has authorized a 10th on-field coach as of January 2017, so Mac should have brought in passing game coordinator to help Nuss out.

In my fantasy world, Luke Del Rio would become a graduate assistant (he graduated in December 2016 with a Bachelor of Science in Family, Youth, and Community Sciences degree), and if Mac does not hire a passing game coordinator, I would want LDR as a GA and on-field passing game coordinator.

All of this is predicated on the following assumptions: Scott Stricklan is not going to fire Jim McElwain, Jim McElwain is not going to fire Doug Nussmeier, and Mac has to turn things around in 2018-2019 before he is officially in danger of being fired.
 

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