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Gator Gameday (11/19): Hosting UAB

DRU2012

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Well, one would THINK we could still win this one...and if all the injuries and extracurricular losses were the only reason for doubt, I'd still believe that.
But we have other problems, deeper and more complex.
We've talked about this, directly and indirectly all over our site last few weeks--well, more and more over the course of the whole season...and fact is that, concurrent with all that, I have come to care less and less about the outcome of the games themselves. Or done my best to tell myself that--and done well enough that it has hurt less, for now. "We aren't gonna play in a bowl game anyway, no matter what happens", and so on. I suppose I am doing my best to keep my precarious hold on "carefree and philisophical longterm thinking" for now.
Oh, I'll be watching NEXT week's game with more interest, hoping to see a spark of pride and some bit of "rallying together" around whomever is the QB, just to make a game of it--maybe even pull out a desperate-if-messy win against our cross-state rivals--something a little more likely if we started that process THIS week. To a great extent, winning is a "habit" one gets into--and so is losing. Another way we can start NEXT season's preparations NOW.
And there again: One more reason I've been trying so hard NOT to care so much--and though putting on a good face, just under the surface remains a clenched fist full of frustration--and under that, a storm of caring, despite myself.
Oh well, "not caring" is one habit I DON'T want. Not really. May ease the pain for now--but in the long run, the loss is mine. Just walking the tightwire, trying to make it through this long dry spell. In the end, I guess I DO depend on HOPE after all: I HAVE to care a little less for now, but am COUNTING on it getting us to a time and place where that "hope", buried somewhat, deeper and deeper now for YEARS, can come rushing forth again.
NOW, as for this game ("Oh yeah..." LOL), I suppose it IS still the one game left "we SHOULD win" even now (it'd certainly be a BIG WIN for them if they came in and beat us in The Swamp, never mind our health and circumstances: How far HAVE we fallen? "Is there ANYTHING left right now of "Gator pride"???)...That's a tough point to rally round, though. One'd hope maybe the "Nothin' to lose, let's relax, try some new things and HAVE SOME FUN!" might be an addition worth adding to the usual coach-speak this week. That, and the implied truth that both coaches AND players are being evaluated with recruiting and the 2018 season in mind. You all know my feelings about all that: It's my view that "NEXT year" has already begun for UF football. And for now, this is all we have to work with--at least til The CHOICE is made, resulting changes ensue, and we move into NSD, Spring ball and the rest.
So lets go out there and see what we really GOT in that full-action scrimmage today.
 

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Meh. I have moved onto Gator basketball. At least they are exciting. The football team appears to have quit on me, so I have quit on them. I predict a boring 10-9 victory, but I would not be surprised if the Gators lost 20-21.
 

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For me, a guy who no longer even follows the No Fun League, let alone the NBA, even reg season Gator roundball I find a pale shadow of what we love in Gator FOOTBALL. Sorry, but it is the sad truth.
I WILL get into it at the end, EASE into it during the SEC Championship Tournament, getting ready for our place in the Dance. But all I GOT in sports right now basically is Gator football.
Which "right now" means "wait'll next year". Only I've found an "exception": As in "This IS the 2018 season...Now, ALREADY..."
In all the ways I've talked about here at GE of latd--and new angles on that keep appearing.
But that doesn't change the simple fact that most DON'T see it that way. Worse, the hopelessness and resulting "surrender" that by the onfield signs currently purvades a large portion of the TEAM makes the kind of REFOCUS, the regathering of pride and determination I am certain is our one hope, unlikely. In fact damn near impossible.
One MORE reason we need to get that New Guy in here soon as possible. Maybe the reason underlying all the OTHERS.
It's one thing for ME to propose this approach, accept it myself for my own reasons--but beyond that I truly believe that it is and will be an enormous mistake and waste of priceless time and opportunity to go on in this way for AMY reason except in the service of identifying that individual--and getting him IN here ASAP!
 

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I am so numb from drinking away this pain that is Gator football that I welcome the losses. Drain the Swamp.
 

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Me either. Prob watch 1st qrtr, but not much more; Whether we barely win another sloppy close one OR lose to a young, smaller team that just WANTS it enough more, figure to see another bumbling, self-destructive Gator mess no matter what.
GATOR cabal has GOTTA make the choice, make the deal and PULL THE TRIGGER, get it done ASAP in order to see us move into "New Season"-mode like I've been talking about...
But meanwhile, Kelly and UF apparently back to "dancin' around it" again, Frost reportedly "not sure he's READY for the high pressure and spotlight", and so on...
Not sure where responsibility rests for it, but somehow it at least starts to SOUND like we still DON'T KNOW whom our "first choice" is--and the guys on that list aren't sure THEY want it either!!! If throwing enough money at one of the men "a little further down" is what it comes down to, I fear we're beat before we even START "anew". Hell, come to that it might be best just to give Randy a coupla mill per season to recruit and hold things in place for a year or two, 'til Charlie's finally ready to come back. Better than throwing away another fortune only to be stuck with the unhappy results of another poor match for ANOTHER wasted 3 or 4 years watching the same slide continue in the same way for the same damn reasons.
Oh God. Did I just SAY that? Am I SERIOUS??? Has it really come to all THAT?!!
 

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I wish I were at the game right now, just so I can have some Monsta Lobsta. They are the best performers for the Gator Nation right now.
 

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On the topic of Chip Kelly, I tend to believe the rumors that he will not sign with Florida unless he gets his assistants. Due to the varied degrees of culpability that his senior, former assistants have with their NCAA violations at Oregon, and the SEC unique requirement to vet coaches with "moral issues", if the rumors are true then this will take extra time and will be a bit more complex than a normal hiring.
 

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(...And also "meanwhile", we are leaking "commits"...This is how even our INaction is part of our snowballing continued slide: We end up with another less-than-ideal fit at Head Coach, and what few potential positives and hopeful signs we had coming GONE.)
If you're gonna throw money at ANYONE, Why NOT Charlie Strong???
 

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(...And also "meanwhile", we are leaking "commits"...This is how even our INaction is part of our snowballing continued slide: We end up with another less-than-ideal fit at Head Coach, and what few potential positives and hopeful signs we had coming GONE.)
If you're gonna throw money at ANYONE, Why NOT Charlie Strong???

The reason we do not go after Charlie Strong, even though he is my favorite, is that he does not have an exciting offensive coordinator in his coaching tree. He has Sterlin Gilbert, who could not coach an exciting offense at Texas.

What I think Scott Stricklin is doing differently this time around is he is not hiring a head coach--he is hiring a head coach who knows offense AND his offensive coordinator AND his defensive coordinator AND his other assistants. Charlie Strong is an excellent head coach, and an excellent disciplinarian, but Sterlin Gilbert is not going to bring a top-20 offense, and Brian Jean-Mary is not going to restore the Gators' top-10 defense.
 

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By the way, where have you seen UF leaking recruits? Believe it or not, only one recruit has fully withdrawn his commitment, Ja'Marr Chase--and he tore his ACL a week after committing to UF. Oddly enough, the recruits have been patient for whatever reason. I just wanted to throw that out before we get called out for being yet another Gator forum in panic mode.
 

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The Gators accidentally scored a touchdown! I thought the plan was to attempt 10 field goals.
 

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The reason we do not go after Charlie Strong, even though he is my favorite, is that he does not have an exciting offensive coordinator in his coaching tree. He has Sterlin Gilbert, who could not coach an exciting offense at Texas.

What I think Scott Stricklin is doing differently this time around is he is not hiring a head coach--he is hiring a head coach who knows offense AND his offensive coordinator AND his defensive coordinator AND his other assistants. Charlie Strong is an excellent head coach, and an excellent disciplinarian, but Sterlin Gilbert is not going to bring a top-20 offense, and Brian Jean-Mary is not going to restore the Gators' top-10 defense.
I really, REALLY hope you're right, E--. And I GET the theory. But something similar was certainly a PART of the last hire. The distinction you are making is with Mac we were buying into (what turned out to be an over-HYPED version of) HIS supposed offensive acumen; For whatever reasons, our analysis was flawed, so the choice was flawed, so HE DIDN'T live up to his rep, HE failed--and us right along with him. This time you think it is all about the known quantity/quality of the STAFF whomever is hired will bring in. While important, that shapes up as merely "a better, more thorough" elaboration on last time's criteria...I suppose I am doing the same, only stressing the value of overall organisational and managerial skills in our Head Coach-to-be this time.
You're right empirically about who Strong's had, where that has foundered so far. In the end, I guess that as gambles go, I expect that with time, growth, expanded awareness AND connections and a readiness to learn and adapt, Charlie's likely getting the people he needs to field a new and exciting offense is more likely than someone "probably having" that already finding the skills and deeper personality traits that often NEVER materialize in so many others. I'm guessing it is THAT in Strong that makes him your "favorite", like it does in my case.
I don't disaggree with you, either way. The only thing I am even CLOSE to being certain of is that we need to be honest WITH OURSELVES as to what we want, who best fills the bill--and go after that individual unfettered, hard and single-mindedly. Get it DONE.
IF there isn't such a person who stands above all, or if there IS but he isn't currently available, then we accept that and think about how we GET there, even if that means do it in steps--do what we CAN do for ourselves, keep our team and program moving forward on The Path in the meantime.
Sigh. I don't know where we are really at, who, what or where our best hopes lie. Maybe one of these guys being variously considered as their stock rises and falls online IS "The Right One". I dearly hope so. But between public demand and behind-the-scenes turfwars, "patience" and "clear-eyed calculation" aren't likely to rule here: more likely only promises of a "quick fix", the coming of some "savior-of-the-moment" will be acceptable for now. Few will consider the costs of another failure, OR alternatives that might have gotten us "BACK" in the realistically shortest time all along. Bad as I WANT a "Choice" made, and move on to The Future, I fear that the longer this "limbo of indecision" (both in our braintrust AND apparently targets of our interest) goes on, the less likely we are to get it right. I'd like to think the "masters of our fate", the people actually making this decision, will step back, see the larger picture and act with THAT in mind. But I am less and less confident of even that.
 

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By the way, where have you seen UF leaking recruits? Believe it or not, only one recruit has fully withdrawn his commitment, Ja'Marr Chase--and he tore his ACL a week after committing to UF. Oddly enough, the recruits have been patient for whatever reason. I just wanted to throw that out before we get called out for being yet another Gator forum in panic mode.
Well, it's true I'm just noting an overall impression gained as I surf and track links on google, etc...but we HAVE had several decommits among our highest ranks of prospective incoming; beyond them so far it's mostly a matter of reported "interest" and invitations to visit other campuses...Latest such foray was this morning, where I found Georgia having elicited a visit from another one of our commits, for eg...and it was in commits that I was referring to originally about "leaking...", just to be clear. And not so much "hitting the panic button" as another symptom of the consequences of this "losers on AND off the field"-impression that is inevitably going to continue to grow as rumors float around and little happens.
As much as I hope there is a well-considered target and plan unfolding behind the scenes, barring that, NOT-acting can do almost as much damage as doing something WRONG now.
The Gators accidentally scored a touchdown! I thought the plan was to attempt 10 field goals.
(Laughing, cuts off)..."Wait. That WAS the plan..."
 

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(Isn't it cool the way I can now actually DO complex analysis, express an overall philosophical view AND joke about action in the ongoing game, all at the same time? That is just one more benefit of not really GIVING a crap about the actual outcome: I really SHOULD appreciate it. But I DON'T. I MISS caring, and hurting, GIVING a shit.
DAMNIT--I want it BACK!!! ALL of it.)
 

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I wish I were at the game right now, just so I can have some Monsta Lobsta. They are the best performers for the Gator Nation right now.
OK--haven't been to The Swamp in too long, clearly:
WHAT IS "MONSTA LOBSTA", EXACTLY?
Just the name makes me hungry, tho'...Gonna tear myself away from this classic, epic tilt, and go get myself something from the little pizza shop down the way here...
 

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Dude. I am way too drunk to read more than a line at a time. Speaking of lines, somehow the Gators botched the whole "kick 10 field goals" plan and they scored these things called "touchdowns". Ain't that cool?
 

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But one more thing first: Yes, even by now minus virtually our entire starting offense, half the D, almost as bad the 2nd-string, specialists and plug-ins, down and left for dead emotionally and at the home of a hot team SALIVATING at the chance to kick us while we're down and for once believing they had a real shot at DOING it, defeating a school from the SEC (convincing themselves cross-state they have emerged from the statewide shadow of their big brothers in Tuscaloosa), even with all of that, we are ourselves managing to finally put up the kind of points early like we haven't done even once before now this season. Headline: "Gators Manage to look Sloppily Superior Against Inferior Opponent". Can't get too excited, really--but yes, we CAN still beat almost-half-decent teams with no coach and both our hands tied behind our back. In a weird, back-handed way, THIS gives me hope.
Get healthy, get an imaginitive coach, add a coupla good-to-GREAT recruiting classes, and you know what? We COULD ourselves be great again--or at least in the discussion, in the HUNT.
 

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